Madara vs Hashirama

[m4r1us]

Ok I had a discussion with mariusx2014 about who is the stronger of these two. Note that I'll take into consideration all Madara versions except Juudara. I agree Hashirama vs Juudara is a stomp. So let's get started:

The first fight between the two of 'em was before the foundation of Konoha. It was then when Izuna died and Madara was defeated. He asked Hashirama to commit suicide, and Hashirama was just about to do it, thinking that way he'd end the Senju-Uchiha war. But in the last moment, Madara stops him.
Chapter 625:

So far 1-0 for Hashirama.


The next one is the battle at the VOTE (Valley of the end). This is my personal favorite. Hashirama owned Susanoo armored kyuubi. He might not have killed Madara but it doesn't matter. If this doesn't prove Hashirama is stronger than Madara then idk what does... I mean come on Susanoo armored kyuubi that's insane man...
Chapter 621:

Guess that makes it 2-0.


The third fight is edo Madara vs edo Hashirama. We didn't see much of this fight but the outcome was hilarious at least to me. I mean just look at it that way: Madara got rinnegan and mokuton. Who would have expected him to be embarassed a third time? Well he was...
Chapter 656:

That's 3-0.


Well Madara had his victory after being revived, I'll give him that, despite the fact that he needed the hashirama face on his chest to get natural energy because he can't enter SM himself. But what's fair is fair

So that makes it 3-1.


So please state your thoughts about who is stronger: Madara with his own powers (so basically no mokuton or sage mode, still has Rinnegan though since that's his) or Hashirama.

[halika]

You make a pretty strong argument, lol. And Madara did have to fuse part of Hashirama into him just to be able to keep up. I'd have to give it to Hashirama.

[CaptainSpoon]

Madara only acts like hes the strongest, but from deep inside he knows Hashirama is the strongest XD

[mariusx2014]

Juudara is stronger than hashirama.
Madara snaps him like a twig.

Rinnegan Madara using Sage Mode is already comparable if not stronger then Hashirama. And comparing the Kyuubi to the Juubi is like comparing a flea to a wolf.

Five Suns Barrier + Quadruple Juubidama casually ends this.

[m4r1us]

Juudara is stronger than hashirama.
Madara snaps him like a twig.

Rinnegan Madara using Sage Mode is already comparable if not stronger then Hashirama. And comparing the Kyuubi to the Juubi is like comparing a flea to a wolf.

Five Suns Barrier + Quadruple Juubidama casually ends this.

The fact is we are talking about 'em with their own powers. I already gave Madara the Kyuubi and the Rinnegan so I think that's more than equitable.
Madara snaps him like a twig? Give me a proper argument for that otherways I'll just say Ten Ten casually stomps Juudara.

[mariusx2014]

Juudara is stronger than hashirama.
Madara snaps him like a twig.

Rinnegan Madara using Sage Mode is already comparable if not stronger then Hashirama. And comparing the Kyuubi to the Juubi is like comparing a flea to a wolf.

Five Suns Barrier + Quadruple Juubidama casually ends this.

The fact is we are talking about 'em with their own powers. I already gave Madara the Kyuubi and the Rinnegan so I think that's more than equitable.
Madara snaps him like a twig? Give me a proper argument for that otherways I'll just say Ten Ten casually stomps Juudara.

new powers always will come so madara is stronger at this moment of manga

[m4r1us]

Juudara is stronger than hashirama.
Madara snaps him like a twig.

Rinnegan Madara using Sage Mode is already comparable if not stronger then Hashirama. And comparing the Kyuubi to the Juubi is like comparing a flea to a wolf.

Five Suns Barrier + Quadruple Juubidama casually ends this.

The fact is we are talking about 'em with their own powers. I already gave Madara the Kyuubi and the Rinnegan so I think that's more than equitable.
Madara snaps him like a twig? Give me a proper argument for that otherways I'll just say Ten Ten casually stomps Juudara.

new powers always will come so madara is stronger at this moment of manga

More like stolen powers.
Doesn't really matter, the way things are going he won't be the main villain for a long time now. Kaguya is very likely to take over.

[mariusx2014]

no way

Juudara is stronger than hashirama.
Madara snaps him like a twig.

Rinnegan Madara using Sage Mode is already comparable if not stronger then Hashirama. And comparing the Kyuubi to the Juubi is like comparing a flea to a wolf.

Five Suns Barrier + Quadruple Juubidama casually ends this.

The fact is we are talking about 'em with their own powers. I already gave Madara the Kyuubi and the Rinnegan so I think that's more than equitable.
Madara snaps him like a twig? Give me a proper argument for that otherways I'll just say Ten Ten casually stomps Juudara.

new powers always will come so madara is stronger at this moment of manga

More like stolen powers.
Doesn't really matter, the way things are going he won't be the main villain for a long time now. Kaguya is very likely to take over.

no way

[ParadoxRonin]

senju still lost tho

[Indigo]

Hashirama will always be stronger, just like Naruto will always be stronger than Sasuke.

Why?

Because the plot demands it, we have to accept that the Senju/Uzumaki clans are seen as the good guys whereas the Uchiha are seen as the bad guys (we all love a bad guy in Anime though, right?) Because of this I believe the plot will always protect the Senju and Uzumaki.

And, anyway, Hashirama is a straight boss.

[json243]

Hashirama will always be stronger, just like Naruto will always be stronger than Sasuke.

Why?

Because the plot demands it, we have to accept that the Senju/Uzumaki clans are seen as the good guys whereas the Uchiha are seen as the bad guys (we all love a bad guy in Anime though, right?) Because of this I believe the plot will always protect the Senju and Uzumaki.

And, anyway, Hashirama is a straight boss.

Super true. Naruto, like all anime characters protagonists, will be losing in the beginning but come out victorious

[mariusx2014]

Hashirama will always be stronger, just like Naruto will always be stronger than Sasuke.

Why?

Because the plot demands it, we have to accept that the Senju/Uzumaki clans are seen as the good guys whereas the Uchiha are seen as the bad guys (we all love a bad guy in Anime though, right?) Because of this I believe the plot will always protect the Senju and Uzumaki.

And, anyway, Hashirama is a straight boss.

Super true. Naruto, like all anime characters protagonists, will be losing in the beginning but come out victorious

Did you saw death note?

[m4r1us]

Hashirama will always be stronger, just like Naruto will always be stronger than Sasuke.

Why?

Because the plot demands it, we have to accept that the Senju/Uzumaki clans are seen as the good guys whereas the Uchiha are seen as the bad guys (we all love a bad guy in Anime though, right?) Because of this I believe the plot will always protect the Senju and Uzumaki.

And, anyway, Hashirama is a straight boss.

Super true. Naruto, like all anime characters protagonists, will be losing in the beginning but come out victorious

Did you saw death note?

I didn't watch it, but from what I know about the show, the protagonist (Light was it?) was more of an antihero so of course he died in the end, it was to be expected

[Indigo]

Hashirama will always be stronger, just like Naruto will always be stronger than Sasuke.

Why?

Because the plot demands it, we have to accept that the Senju/Uzumaki clans are seen as the good guys whereas the Uchiha are seen as the bad guys (we all love a bad guy in Anime though, right?) Because of this I believe the plot will always protect the Senju and Uzumaki.

And, anyway, Hashirama is a straight boss.

Super true. Naruto, like all anime characters protagonists, will be losing in the beginning but come out victorious

Did you saw death note?

I didn't watch it, but from what I know about the show, the protagonist (Light was it?) was more of an antihero so of course he died in the end, it was to be expected

Exactly, Light fulfilled the role of the antihero, with most people rooting for L rather than him.

I still wish Light won -.-

[TechSheep11]

Even if Madara stole power, it's still power he can use. Therefore, I say Madara.