More ranks

[Shivraj]

There is no difference between a high ELO and a low ELO beside the played time in game, probably.
They can compete against each other anytime, there is no disadvantage or advantage for any of them.

Confused by what you're trying to say here.
Let's assume elo is obtained through missions and killing shinobi in the free-zone (danger zone or w/e you want to call it), yes you're right that players with any elo can fight, but a ninja with a higher elo would obviously have better equipment and jutsus.

Also, the ELO has nothing to do with the jutsus. One may start fighting with others from the beginning of the game, this would allow him to increase his ELO while improving his jutsu while another may not fight at all, just train, do missions, thus improving his jutsu this way. Result: The one who has a lower ELO has a real chance to be better than the other one.

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of the ELO system... I mean its designed to be numerical representation of the likely outcome of a match. this is why when someone wins over a higher ranked player its called an upset.IF  you can get stronger and learn jutsu with out gaining ELO then It becomes less acurate and upsets will be more common.
this will eventually lead to a chaotic system the is no longer acurate.

ever heard of hiding your power? Exactly like that. It's part of strategy, your opponent underestimates you and then, he's dead.

[Fraudulent]

There is no difference between a high ELO and a low ELO beside the played time in game, probably.
They can compete against each other anytime, there is no disadvantage or advantage for any of them.

Confused by what you're trying to say here.
Let's assume elo is obtained through missions and killing shinobi in the free-zone (danger zone or w/e you want to call it), yes you're right that players with any elo can fight, but a ninja with a higher elo would obviously have better equipment and jutsus.

Also, the ELO has nothing to do with the jutsus. One may start fighting with others from the beginning of the game, this would allow him to increase his ELO while improving his jutsu while another may not fight at all, just train, do missions, thus improving his jutsu this way. Result: The one who has a lower ELO has a real chance to be better than the other one.

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of the ELO system... I mean its designed to be numerical representation of the likely outcome of a match. this is why when someone wins over a higher ranked player its called an upset.IF  you can get stronger and learn jutsu with out gaining ELO then It becomes less acurate and upsets will be more common.
this will eventually lead to a chaotic system the is no longer acurate.

Its supposed to show how skillful you are, not the likely outcome of a match. Not everytime does a person with the higher elo win because in the end it all comes down to strategies.

[NinjaMirage]

There is no difference between a high ELO and a low ELO beside the played time in game, probably.
They can compete against each other anytime, there is no disadvantage or advantage for any of them.

Confused by what you're trying to say here.
Let's assume elo is obtained through missions and killing shinobi in the free-zone (danger zone or w/e you want to call it), yes you're right that players with any elo can fight, but a ninja with a higher elo would obviously have better equipment and jutsus.

Also, the ELO has nothing to do with the jutsus. One may start fighting with others from the beginning of the game, this would allow him to increase his ELO while improving his jutsu while another may not fight at all, just train, do missions, thus improving his jutsu this way. Result: The one who has a lower ELO has a real chance to be better than the other one.

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of the ELO system... I mean its designed to be numerical representation of the likely outcome of a match. this is why when someone wins over a higher ranked player its called an upset.IF  you can get stronger and learn jutsu with out gaining ELO then It becomes less acurate and upsets will be more common.
this will eventually lead to a chaotic system the is no longer acurate.

Its supposed to show how skillful you are, not the likely outcome of a match. Not everytime does a person with the higher elo win because in the end it all comes down to strategies.

I agree strategy is a important variable but in a 1 on 1 battle because of the self correcting nature of the ELO system- there is about a 97 % success rate for the higher ranking player this rate drops as you start to get closer to evenly matched scores. in other words if its 1800 vs 1000  there's an 800 point advantage  this is about a 80% success rate for the 1800. this is because both players are using strategies that both effect the outcome. ELO system has this accuracy rating built in to it. however this is only accurate in 1v1 match. if ELO is gained by training and missions, it will add corrupted data into the system that i'm not convinced the system can fully correct. however this kind of corrupted data is necessary in a system were you have support units.I dont clam to be an expert on ELO but i think there's a way to factor in individual skills, a medical ninja for instance might have a normal ELO of 2100 but against a Kenjutsu type ninja-or ninjutsu specialist there relative ELO against that type of player would be more like 1900.

[Fraudulent]

I agree strategy is a important variable but in a 1 on 1 battle because of the self correcting nature of the ELO system- there is about a 97 % success rate for the higher ranking player this rate drops as you start to get closer to evenly matched scores. in other words if its 1800 vs 1000  there's an 800 point advantage  this is about a 80% success rate for the 1800. this is because both players are using strategies that both effect the outcome. ELO system has this accuracy rating built in to it. however this is only accurate in 1v1 match. if ELO is gained by training and missions, it will add corrupted data into the system that i'm not convinced the system can fully correct. however this kind of corrupted data is necessary in a system were you have support units.I dont clam to be an expert on ELO but i think there's a way to factor in individual skills, a medical ninja for instance might have a normal ELO of 2100 but against a Kenjutsu type ninja-or ninjutsu specialist there relative ELO against that type of player would be more like 1900.

Yeah.. I see. Um, I'm sure that if this system even goes under consideration by @Vreg then the developers will sit down and think about how they're going to structure this and make it so that support ninja also gain a fair amount of elo. It's about mathematics and the situation you're in.

[Vreg]

Our current planned system:

1. The shinobi ranks of Academy Student, Genin, Chunin, Special Jonin (Chunin ranked shinobi whom have a certain Jonin-level ability) and Jonin.
2. An ELO-based shinobi rating that effectively measures the level of skill of the player behind a character, this rating is what will show the difference between e.g. a highly skilled Genin and an average Chunin, or a highly skilled Jonin and an average Jonin.

Having a certain shinobi rating is what will make you eligible for upgrading your shinobi rank by participating in the required exams, participating in said exams to increase your shinobi rank is however a personal choice that is left to you and is in no way mandatory. You have to take account the changes that will come forth once your shinobi rank has increased. For example, a Jonin ranked shinobi will get more difficult missions, will have to lead a Genin team, but will also get a higher pay, these are just a few examples of the type of changes that can occur.

So if your shinobi rating gets high enough, you will get invited to partake in exams for the next rank. If you partake in these exams and get required minimum grade (these exams are both theoretical and practical), you will get assigned your new shinobi rank.

Now to answer this specific topic, although we have currently no plans to add more shinobi ranks, I'm not against the idea.

[Fraudulent]

Our current planned system:

1. The shinobi ranks of Academy Student, Genin, Chunin, Special Jonin (Chunin ranked shinobi whom have a certain Jonin-level ability) and Jonin.
2. An ELO-based shinobi rating that effectively measures the level of skill of the player behind a character, this rating is what will show the difference between e.g. a highly skilled Genin and an average Chunin, or a highly skilled Jonin and an average Jonin.

Having a certain shinobi rating is what will make you eligible for upgrading your shinobi rank by participating in the required exams, participating in said exams to increase your shinobi rank is however a personal choice that is left to you and is in no way mandatory. You have to take account the changes that will come forth once your shinobi rank has increased. For example, a Jonin ranked shinobi will get more difficult missions, will have to lead a Genin team, but will also get a higher pay, these are just a few examples of the type of changes that can occur.

So if your shinobi rating gets high enough, you will get invited to partake in exams for the next rank. If you partake in these exams and get required minimum grade (these exams are both theoretical and practical), you will get assigned your new shinobi rank.

Now to answer this specific topic, although we have currently no plans to add more shinobi ranks, I'm not against the idea.

This is what I've been trying to enforce for a long time. Arigato Vreg-san.
The system I'm talking about makes so much sense and there's no reason it should be dismissed.

[Doylo Bushida]

Our current planned system:

1. The shinobi ranks of Academy Student, Genin, Chunin, Special Jonin (Chunin ranked shinobi whom have a certain Jonin-level ability) and Jonin.
2. An ELO-based shinobi rating that effectively measures the level of skill of the player behind a character, this rating is what will show the difference between e.g. a highly skilled Genin and an average Chunin, or a highly skilled Jonin and an average Jonin.

Having a certain shinobi rating is what will make you eligible for upgrading your shinobi rank by participating in the required exams, participating in said exams to increase your shinobi rank is however a personal choice that is left to you and is in no way mandatory. You have to take account the changes that will come forth once your shinobi rank has increased. For example, a Jonin ranked shinobi will get more difficult missions, will have to lead a Genin team, but will also get a higher pay, these are just a few examples of the type of changes that can occur.

So if your shinobi rating gets high enough, you will get invited to partake in exams for the next rank. If you partake in these exams and get required minimum grade (these exams are both theoretical and practical), you will get assigned your new shinobi rank.

Now to answer this specific topic, although we have currently no plans to add more shinobi ranks, I'm not against the idea.

thanks for reaction Vreg and thanks for explanation of rank system, and i still hope that there could be more ranks, maybe not for shinobis, but for rogue ninjas etc. as i mentioned

[Nas]

Our current planned system:

1. The shinobi ranks of Academy Student, Genin, Chunin, Special Jonin (Chunin ranked shinobi whom have a certain Jonin-level ability) and Jonin.
2. An ELO-based shinobi rating that effectively measures the level of skill of the player behind a character, this rating is what will show the difference between e.g. a highly skilled Genin and an average Chunin, or a highly skilled Jonin and an average Jonin.

Having a certain shinobi rating is what will make you eligible for upgrading your shinobi rank by participating in the required exams, participating in said exams to increase your shinobi rank is however a personal choice that is left to you and is in no way mandatory. You have to take account the changes that will come forth once your shinobi rank has increased. For example, a Jonin ranked shinobi will get more difficult missions, will have to lead a Genin team, but will also get a higher pay, these are just a few examples of the type of changes that can occur.

So if your shinobi rating gets high enough, you will get invited to partake in exams for the next rank. If you partake in these exams and get required minimum grade (these exams are both theoretical and practical), you will get assigned your new shinobi rank.

Now to answer this specific topic, although we have currently no plans to add more shinobi ranks, I'm not against the idea.

This was really what i wanted to know...since ranking up wont be mandatory will jutsus be locked by rank?

[Vreg]

Our current planned system:

1. The shinobi ranks of Academy Student, Genin, Chunin, Special Jonin (Chunin ranked shinobi whom have a certain Jonin-level ability) and Jonin.
2. An ELO-based shinobi rating that effectively measures the level of skill of the player behind a character, this rating is what will show the difference between e.g. a highly skilled Genin and an average Chunin, or a highly skilled Jonin and an average Jonin.

Having a certain shinobi rating is what will make you eligible for upgrading your shinobi rank by participating in the required exams, participating in said exams to increase your shinobi rank is however a personal choice that is left to you and is in no way mandatory. You have to take account the changes that will come forth once your shinobi rank has increased. For example, a Jonin ranked shinobi will get more difficult missions, will have to lead a Genin team, but will also get a higher pay, these are just a few examples of the type of changes that can occur.

So if your shinobi rating gets high enough, you will get invited to partake in exams for the next rank. If you partake in these exams and get required minimum grade (these exams are both theoretical and practical), you will get assigned your new shinobi rank.

Now to answer this specific topic, although we have currently no plans to add more shinobi ranks, I'm not against the idea.

This was really what i wanted to know...since ranking up wont be mandatory will jutsus be locked by rank?

No, your rank has no influence on your character's capabilities in any way.

[Nas]

Ahhhh Good to know Vreg my man Good to know xD