Secret Assassin: Round 8

[Konohuro]

The last survivors decided to kill Gronik. After stabbing him, json turns with a satisfied face towards Mars and brutally murders him.
json243 was the assassin.

Good game guys.

The game is over.

[Shivraj]

:3 We Win. Good playing with you everyone.

[Mars]

Assassin 2 games in a row?
lol

[Konohuro]

I'm telling you that I random picked 2 rounds in this game: first time, the assassins were: SirTroll and json
so i decide to spin again so json won't be two times in a row, and second time resulted: Shivraj and json so I let it this way.

[Sanji]

lol,it is ok to be Assassin in raw(there is no rule about beingAssassin in raw),and it was so clear that the other Assassin was json.
anyways gg xp

[NinjaMirage]

sorry guys but i only had one turn... i thout it was gronk because he voted for me even after i made my litle side note to everyone...witch why?

so out of curiosity if the vote is a tie between 3 players to start each getting 2 votes what happens??

[Konohuro]

sorry guys but i only had one turn... i thout it was gronk because he voted for me even after i made my litle side note to everyone...witch why?

so out of curiosity if the vote is a tie between 3 players to start each getting 2 votes what happens??

I don't understand your last question. What happens if there are 3 players left and the vote is a tie? Well, this isn't possible unless one didn't vote. In this case, day phase is over, no one is killed and obviously the assassin wins.

[NinjaMirage]

WHY WOULD THE ASSASSIN WIN IF THERE IS AN UNDECIDED VOTE?

[Shivraj]

WHY WOULD THE ASSASSIN WIN IF THERE IS AN UNDECIDED VOTE?

THERE CANNOT BE AN UNDECIDED VOTE IN 3 PEOPLE IF EVERYONE VOTES

and if one doesn't, he probably gets killed by the Game Master, or if everyone votes when 4 people are alive and it's a tie, no one dies.

[Konohuro]

WHY WOULD THE ASSASSIN WIN IF THERE IS AN UNDECIDED VOTE?

Eh, it seems I have to explain it step by step:
1. Only 2 contradictory votes out of 3 will result in a tie.
2. If it's a tie, the day phase is over, no one is killed and the night phase starts.
3. During the night phase, the assassin will kill a shinobi.
4. The night phase is over and the day phase starts with only two players: an assassin and a shinobi. According to the rules, if the number of shinobi is equal to the number of assassins, the assassins will win.

Also, please refrain from using caps as it's bothering and it insinuates anger, agitation and aggressivity towards the receiver. Just because you can't see the whole image it doesn't mean the other's perspective is wrong.

[json243]

GG everyone

[NinjaMirage]

sorry for using caps not meant to be angry or to insulate your wrong.
but let me spell out what i was thinking
turn 1- night- assassin kills
           day-  everyone votes for themselves-assassins will to because if they dont it
           will give them away
           everyone gets 1 vote so its a 7 way tie no one dies?? right?? but ambu either
            knows at least one person is or is not
           an assassin
turn 2 -night- assassin kills again possibly the ambu but unlike as its 1-5 and a 2-5
           chance.of picking the one the ambu investigated if not a assassin.
           less then 50/50
           Day- phase no one votes except for the the ambu if he know who the assassin
          if not then no one votes
           assassin's may  try and push for someone but it doesn't matter now because
           the ambu has cleared 2 people
           and himself out of 6  remaining players  2 out of the other 3 are assassins
            By the   end of the second day the
           game is over.
       
So now that i have given the wining strategy away we dont need to play this again right??? the only way the assassins win is if there lucky enough to kill the ambu.

[Konohuro]

sorry for using caps not meant to be angry or to insulate your wrong.
but let me spell out what i was thinking
turn 1- night- assassin kills
           day-  everyone votes for themselves-assassins will to because if they dont it
           will give them away
           everyone gets 1 vote so its a 7 way tie no one dies?? right?? but ambu either
            knows at least one person is or is not
           an assassin
turn 2 -night- assassin kills again possibly the ambu but unlike as its 1-5 and a 2-5
           chance.of picking the one the ambu investigated if not a assassin.
           less then 50/50
           Day- phase no one votes except for the the ambu if he know who the assassin
          if not then no one votes
           assassin's may  try and push for someone but it doesn't matter now because
           the ambu has cleared 2 people
           and himself out of 6  remaining players  2 out of the other 3 are assassins
            By the   end of the second day the
           game is over.
       
So now that i have given the wining strategy away we dont need to play this again right??? the only way the assassins win is if there lucky enough to kill the ambu.

This strategy is broken. The fissure occurs during your second turn: "Day- phase no one votes except for the the ambu if he know who the assassin if not then no one votes ".

1. If no one votes because the ANBU scouted a shinobi, than in the last second one of the assassins will make a vote. It won't matter that the ANBU will know that the one who voted was one of the assassins, he has no way of proving that he is not an assassin himself.

2. If no one votes but the ANBU, that would turn him in the next target of the assassins, making the chances of the assassins to kill the ANBU in 1/1 instead of "1/5".


PS: I don't see how the chances to kill the ANBU from the beginning can be "[..] and 2/5". They can only be 1/5.

Also, I've run through most of tactics that could turn this chance game into a complete strategy game. I couldn't find any plausible strategy and I've simulated over 10 complex strategies.
I passed once through a similar tactic as yours, the result was the same.
I reached the conclusion that there is no other way of playing this game other than how it works at the moment.

[NinjaMirage]

1st there is a way to let others know your not the assassin but i'm not giving away that strategy second. the assassins have a 2 out of 5 chance to undo the info the ambu gathered by either killing him or the one he investigated. and i should say no one votes until the ambu. insuring at least one assassin is dead but that will put a target on your head. It will always be a game of chance but like 21 there is a way of reducing the risks.
this method has the greatest chance of success.
If you look at the info the ambu gains by the end of the day phase of the second day there are only 3 outcomes.

1 he found no assassins 2 shinobi
2 he found 1 assassin and 1 shinobi
3 he found both assassins.

if 1-then he controls half the field. and a 2 in 3 chance to pick an assassin
      If he pics wrong then the ambu dies next turn and the other 2 know how
      the assassins are but as the numbers are tied the assassins win but its only a 33%
      chance of loosing
   2  then he tells the shinobi he knows to vote for the assassin
   3  he lets everyone else know how they are. and makes the vote.

this does require the shinobi to not randomly guess but to wait on the ambu.
If the assassins try and imitate the ambus role in this they instantly give away that there the assassin.
 

[NinjaMirage]

Also, I've run through most of tactics that could turn this chance game into a complete strategy game. I couldn't find any plausible strategy and I've simulated over 10 complex strategies.
I passed once through a similar tactic as yours, the result was the same.
I reached the conclusion that there is no other way of playing this game other than how it works at the moment.

Are you like an AI or something

you know humans CAN think too... though most dont like to..