Is God real

[NinjaMirage]

Science can't explain why cells can only split a limited number of times.

Uh... yeah it can.

Um no it doesn't it dose not explain why the  chromosome cannot reproduce fully. That is the reason there shorter each time. All the results say they should split completely but for some reason it's inerupted.

[DarthTyrael]

Not sure what your question really is, but the reason why cells can't reproduce infinitely IS due to the fact the telomeres shorten.

During chromosome replication, the enzymes that duplicate DNA cannot continue their duplication all the way to the end of a chromosome, so in each duplication the end of the chromosome is shortened (this is because the synthesis of Okazaki fragments requires RNA primers attaching ahead on the lagging strand).

Basically the telomeres function as a failsafe, for if the telomeres are shorter than like 100 base pairs, the cell becomes inactive and cannot divide further (preventing DNA damage), until another cell activates the telomere repairing enzyme within this cell. That happens rarely. Mostly the cell just remains inactive or goes into apoptosis (i.e. "programmed cell death")

Some cells have this enzyme that allows them to split indefinitely (stem cells), but this is only because their function is to split and multiply.

Sometimes cancer can have the enzyme active, which makes it a very potent cancer type (e.g. HELA cells).

What I'm trying to say here is that if all of your cells would have this enzyme active, you'd grow and grow in mass, height etc indefinitely, losing overall structure and becoming an unstable organism because your cells don't have the time to settle and specialise. The only way your cells would become truely immortal is if they'd never divide and never died, for which means they'd have to never be active (i.e. perform metabolic activities).


But we digress, let's keep this topic on "god"

Let me know in PM if this answered your questions.

[NinjaMirage]

This is not at all off topic.
What are the chances  the code written in DNA happens by accident?

It's like saying some random convergence of ones and zeros on the internet randomly bumped in to each other over millions of years and became the most complex program in the world!!!

[StriderOtaku]

Intristingly the Bible dose not support the idea of an afterlife. Energy transforms but is never distroyed this is true science. But if that energy was what people call the soul then decay would happen instantly after physical death. Decay is the process of the entrupy of energy from the body. Man was created to live forever. God put forever in are hearts the Bible says. Are desire to live past death dose not mean it's real. Death is a punishment. Science can't explain why cells can only split a limited number of times. But the Bible also provides hope for this condition. Everlasting life on earth.

I like to steer clear of these kind of arguments (there is really never a religious discussion between atheists and believers) but it's worth mentioning that I agreed with you @NinjaMirage until this point(s) (in the quote above).

[Manuster]

This is not at all off topic.
What are the chances the code written in DNA happens by accident?

It's like saying some random convergence of ones and zeros on the internet randomly bumped in to each other over millions of years and became the most complex program in the world!!!

That's the legitimately the smartest thing I've ever read....

May I please borrow a few minutes from your time to explain about our lord and saviour!

If you can spare a few so I can explain about his father and his God.

Tf you talking about, I'm talking about Vreg.

What scratch that...this is

[NinjaMirage]

Erm @DarthTyrael  humans don't exist due to chance, haven't you read the "Is God even real" thread smh

and ironically, humans do become a sort of 'demigod' once they reach Heaven

rip.

@Manuster

Evolution wise, it was chance. Chance that a monkey species evolved to the Homo sapiens, chance that one cell decided that more cells would be more proficient. Chance that life in it self, could happen on Earth. Chance that the Earth was /just/ close enough to the sun for a sustainable ecosystem.

Religion wise, it's still chance. What if God chose to create flies in it's image? We'd never have existed in the first place

@DarthTyrael
2 Questions about this...

1 this sounds like you have a lot of faith in evelution Do you??

2 assuming you do and assuming your understanding of what it means to be made in God image is right!! Evelution is still less then 1/10^100000 % chance that life just  accidentally happened  where as creation is till 100% chance of some form of life happining. But would they be fly people?

[DarthTyrael]

Erm @DarthTyrael  humans don't exist due to chance, haven't you read the "Is God even real" thread smh

and ironically, humans do become a sort of 'demigod' once they reach Heaven

rip.

@Manuster

Evolution wise, it was chance. Chance that a monkey species evolved to the Homo sapiens, chance that one cell decided that more cells would be more proficient. Chance that life in it self, could happen on Earth. Chance that the Earth was /just/ close enough to the sun for a sustainable ecosystem.

Religion wise, it's still chance. What if God chose to create flies in it's image? We'd never have existed in the first place

@DarthTyrael
2 Questions about this...

1 this sounds like you have a lot of faith in evelution Do you??

2 assuming you do and assuming your understanding of what it means to be made in God image is right!! Evelution is still less then 1/10^100000 % chance that life just  accidentally happened  where as creation is till 100% chance of some form of life happining. But would they be fly people?

@NinjaMirage
1. I do. I've been raised in a Christian environment, been baptised and what not, but in all honesty, I don't believe in an all-mighty entity pulling the strings of the universe like a boring puppet show for all the other deities.

My view is the idea of chance scares people, unless they have a lot  to gain  and not a lot to lose. On this idea, religion was formed, creating a safe haven for the thing that frightens people the most at that time and could happen any day, on any hour (and far more often than nowadays) - death.

The idea of an after-life where everything is blissful and every moment is pure ecstasy is the best gain one could have if you'd just believe. If it's not there you'd never notice either way, so win-win.

2. Getting a random mutation due to a failure in reconstructing the DNA after it's duplicated is also roughly 1/200.000 (might be less, forgive me if I don't know the exact number)
It still happens. Every few months. You might notice a light pigmentation spot on your arm, but most of the times nothing serious happens. Of course there are people that can get cancer in this way but mostly this is due getting into contact with carcinogenic substances (not restricted to cigarettes, there are a ton).

As for the "fly people", I was referring more to the actual common fly to be "the perfect creature in God's eyes" rather than humans. If that was the case, chances are (according to the bible) that we'd never have existed in the first place. But I commend you for your imagination nevertheless

My point is, if small odds like that happen, even in physics experiments where quantum phenomena, how unlikely they happen, are observed, then surely it's plausible for life to have happened /per chance/

Side note: Evolution =/= how life -started-, it's how life changed. Evolution has been pretty solidly proven, whereas "how life started" is still a theory (but more plausible than the bible imho).

[Yamasukage]

I say...let's all have our sexeh faiths and believes then die and 1/100 of us ends up right

i mean it's not like we'll go to hell or become non existant

[Blazefp]

Just a small comment, since many of you seem to not be accepting the close-to-0 chance everything happened by chance, keep in mind in our universe there's an almost endless supply of possibilities (literally trillions of them just in our galaxy cluster alone today) ergo if something has even 0.0000001% chance of happening it probably did because 0.0000001%*10^9=100%. Kinda like the fermi paradox but applied to us.

However I do find this thread cancerous since whatever I say can be countered by the "god works in mysterious ways" fallacy when a god-fearing person decides he can't counter argument me so I'll refrain from participating too much in this pseudo-debate.

Also let's keep the semantics correct, faith =/= belief. Faith is blindly believing in something regardless of its logic whereas belief is accepting something based on reason and logic. Example: I have faith I'll pass my exam next week, I believe I'm gonna fail big time.
I believe DarthTyrael believes in evolution, not that he has faith in it like Ninja asked.

[Leebz]

Why the fuck are old topics being revived. Is the forums that dead now or? Smfh. @SantanosRabi what made you want to revive this exactly?

[NinjaMirage]

However I do find this thread cancerous since whatever I say can be countered by the "god works in mysterious ways" fallacy when a god-fearing person decides he can't counter argument me so I'll refrain from participating too much in this pseudo-debate.

Also let's keep the semantics correct, faith =/= belief. Faith is blindly believing in something regardless of its logic whereas belief is accepting something based on reason and logic. Example: I have faith I'll pass my exam next week, I believe I'm gonna fail big time.
I believe DarthTyrael believes in evolution, not that he has faith in it like Ninja asked.

2 things about this. First don't trust someone that says god works in mysterious ways. That's a cop out way of saying I don't know the awnser to your question. The Bible explains everything without condridictions. If it appears to contradict it's self you the reader are taking somthing out of context.

Secondly Bible discribs faith = the assured explanation of thing hoped for,
Meaning you would have faith you'll pass the test BECAUSE you prepared for it.
Or
The evident demonstrations of realitys though not beheld.
I.e I have faith gravity exists because I can feel its effects but can't see it.

Someone's belief is the trust in that faith. This can be strong or week.

So saying you have faith in evelution falls under the second because while adeptation is observable- evelution is not but is in stead a theory based on facts. Much like most religious beliefs.
I have faith Jesus is gods son. It's a fact he was here on earth, but you can see him ruling i heaven. That's faith!!

[Blazefp]

@NinjaMirage Glad you don't use that pseudo-argument. However saying "if it seems to contradict itself it's because the reader is reading it wrong" is equally false. Whenever something can be used to justify any and everything you can safely assume it's a false argument.
Plus the bible was supposedly written along ages and by many men, I never really understood why people say it's the word of god when it was written by people. Therefore I don't see why it can't contradict itself.
Not just that it was also written in arabic, then translated to latin, then old english and only then modern english... Lots of meanings were lost in these translations, no matter how hard you try there are words that you just can't translate correctly. Have you ever read an original piece by Shakespeare? Some passages are already unreadable by modern English and that was only 500 years ago.

Regardless, my english semantics "bible" is the oxford dictionary and it says I'm correct about faith, sorry: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/faith

But I was wrong about belief, it seems that faith is simply a specific case of belief. I wonder what's the word for "An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one with proof"

[NinjaMirage]

Blazefp your right it was written by men. These men were flawed like all men. But let me illustrate it this way. Your a CEO of a company!!
Your need to over see many things and also need to write a Manuel for your employees to do there jobs well and make less mistakes.
You bring in your secretary that wrights the Manuel as you dictate the instructions.

Your secretary wrote the words but there your words. Who is the author?? Now you as a CEO are could do this yourself but if you were a lowly employee you would likely be able to understand the message better if it goes through someone with your level of education. You as the CEO look over the final draft and send out the secretary to wright it up!!!

The Bible says that all scriptures is inspired of god for teaching reproving and setting things strait,  disciplining in righteousness that the man of God may be fully competent completely equipped for every good work.  2 Timothy 3:16

It's possible that the translation could be wrong. But if god is the author don't you think he would not let that happen?

[NinjaMirage]

Sorry for the double post but I missed this so I wanted to respond.

Intristingly the Bible dose not support the idea of an afterlife. Energy transforms but is never distroyed this is true science. But if that energy was what people call the soul then decay would happen instantly after physical death. Decay is the process of the entrupy of energy from the body. Man was created to live forever. God put forever in are hearts the Bible says. Are desire to live past death dose not mean it's real. Death is a punishment. Science can't explain why cells can only split a limited number of times. But the Bible also provides hope for this condition. Everlasting life on earth.

The earth won't exist forever.
At some point the sun will be "empty" leaving us with the end of the world as we know it :p
Directed to your last sentence.

If it is not replenished with matter it will burn out. Fortunately there is no shortage of asteroids in our Galaxy. We already have the abuility to create the atomic reactions the sun uses so there's no reason to worry about that.  The Bible promises that the righteous will live on earth forever. Psalms 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth,And they will live forever on it

[dayvideo12]

god is real....