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[NinjaMirage]

Has anyone Played this Horrible game for PSP

Kingdom of paradise  was a action rpg for the PSP
there was a crap chi arts system similar to chakra in naruto in this game.
It was little better then a GO RIGHT game but
one thing it did pretty good for what it had was
a attack combo (san'yuan) editor called  Bugei scrolls
here is a wiki page if you're interested in more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Paradise#Story
I think Taijutsu and kenjutsu should work on a similar system
In the game attack damage was dealt based on the number of attacks that
connected in the combo. the combos can be edited as new moves are gathered
in scrolls. creating your own unique fighting style. the animations of attacks
limited the kind of attack that could fallow in Kingdom... IE if you
nock our opponent to the ground you cant kick them in to the air,
or if you are in the air you cant do a linear attack strike moving forward.
each animation is a button press and each button needed to be pressed at
the right time in the combo. because the attack animations took different amount
of times to execute it was not a simply button mashing game it took some skill to
to get the complete combo in. because you were fighting stupid AI in kingdom there 
was no need for a counter, throw or break-through animations. But with SLO you will
be playing with REAL people. so working in a throw,counter,brake-throw or block after a long animation
attack would likely increse the chances of getting more hits in or at least avoiding damage from a
counter attack This would take a long time as the animations alone would likely take years to make
not to mention coding each move with Physical energy ( stamina ) usage, and damage per hit.
VERY long term but wanted to get others idea on the subject.

[Konohuro]

On "SLO Arena Tournement Brackets" topic:

@cmsurfer I don't think you have to introduce your chakra through one of the target's senses to activate the genjutsu. Kabuto doesn't interact in any way with the viewers of Chuunin Exam when he inflicts the sleeping genjutsu on them. And don't tell me that he inflicted chakra through the feathers that the audience saw.
Also some genjutsus do require hand signs. Don't mix it with the sharingan genjutsus.
I think Kabuto is performing the "tiger" sign when he falls asleep the audiance.
Kurenai uses tiger hand sign as well in her fight against Itachi.

@SirTroll that video only strengthen my argument. Key word: "affects"
He says: "Genjutsu works by affecting one of the five senses."
This is not equivalent to saying "genjutsu is delivered to the target through the mean of the five senses."

[NinjaMirage]

On "SLO Arena Tournement Brackets" topic:

@cmsurfer I don't think you have to introduce your chakra through one of the target's senses to activate the genjutsu. Kabuto doesn't interact in any way with the viewers of Chuunin Exam when he inflicts the sleeping genjutsu on them. And don't tell me that he inflicted chakra through the feathers that the audience saw.
Also some genjutsus do require hand signs. Don't mix it with the sharingan genjutsus.
I think Kabuto is performing the "tiger" sign when he falls asleep the audiance.
Kurenai uses tiger hand sign as well in her fight against Itachi.

@SirTroll that video only strengthen my argument. Key word: "affects"
He says: "Genjutsu works by affecting one of the five senses."
This is not equivalent to saying "genjutsu is delivered to the target through the mean of the five senses."

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Genjutsu
all genjutsu is a yin release.. that  yin chakra must effect the targets chakra in there body-this means it must enter the targets body in some way and that is through one of the 5 senses. once in the body the genjutsu effects all the senses creating the effect the caster wants. but this is not achieved simply by thinking of what you want the targets chakra to do... your yin chakra influences the flow.

this is why you need someone else chakra to interrupt the flow of a high level genjutsu.
the casters yin chakra over takes your your own chakra control, you need someone else to interrupt the flow the caster is creating.

[NinjaMirage]

@SirTroll that video only strengthen my argument. Key word: "affects"
He says: "Genjutsu works by affecting one of the five senses."
This is not equivalent to saying "genjutsu is delivered to the target through the mean of the five senses."

Welp, I watched the video again and searched around the topic, all I could find was some non-canon stuff. What you said is true, but back to my original point, if you block all 5 of your senses, it cant 'effect' any of them, so the genjutsu does nothing. make sense?

yes sir trolls is right... if there is no way for the chakra to enter your body...there is no way genjutsu will effect your senses. that is why jutsu like the hidden mist worked against kakashi's hypnotic eye, and why ear plugs worked against Tayuya's flute.

[Nova]

If you disable all of your 5 senses, you might as well be dead.
If you disable all of them, how are you ever going to fight back?

[Konohuro]

Well, what cmsurfer said makes sense. But I am still in an impasse as of how Kabuto activated that jutsu.

What SirTroll said is however, not true from my point of view. For a better understanding, some basic biology is required:

The five senses are called so because they are simply sensations. Hearing, sight, taste are just sensations. For this sensations to occur there are some components that play there role for everything to be fine:

Sense receiver (eyes, ears, skin, taste buds etc.) that captures the external stimulus (light, sound, food etc.), turn them into a nerve impulse and sent it further through sensory pathways (like the visual nerve- the nasty thing that you see hanging out of a removed eye that looks like a vein). The nerve impulse reaches the brain that turns the information received into a sensation (pain, hearing etc.) and if it's the case will send another nerve impulse to an action muscle in case the stimulus is harmful (e.g.: when you touch a hot surface, the receiver=the skin sends the information to the brain, the brain turns it into a sensation=pain and sends back another impulse that will tell some muscles to act, resulting in your movement of getting your hand away from the surface).

Now that we clarified this out, in my opinion, if you block, let's say, your vision by blindfolding, it doesn't mean you will be protected by a genjutsu that makes you see things.
Why? Because the genjutsu may be activated through a sound, you hear the sound, and once your chakra flow is controlled by the caster, it may create a pseudo impulse sent to your brain that would cause your brain to generate images, therefore you would start seeing things.



@Nova, this is a hypothetical discussion. Nothing practically.

Also, the senjutsu thing is bullshit, it won't replace all your senses. Not to say that pressure feeling is still a sense so it would be enough a finger touch to trap you inside the genjutsu. How would you protect from being touched?

[Nas]

Lol really this trying to block your five senses thing is impractical. You just have to be smart and be aware of your enemy or surroundings.
There are measures you can take for things like this.
Par example : Staying a good distance away.
Try to not to make eye contact . Etc.

Like there's limits to genjustu too.

[Konohuro]

It may be true that you aren't protected, but if you're blindfolded and suddenly start seeing things - it's utterly obvious that you're in a genjutsu.

I haven't said that it would be an effective genjutsu, only said that you wouldn't be protected. Also, the genjutsu may start by seeing someone ripping off the blindfold...

touch can be blocked with a general sedative

Well, not really. By applying a sedative, you wouldn't feel that you were touched but this wouldn't change the fact that you were touched and the caster's chakra penetrated your body.

[NinjaMirage]

You guys missed the point of what i was saying... Because the genjutsu users chakra must enter the body and does so through 1 and only 1 scene you only need to disable that one scene from being targeted. if it effets sight- blindfold, earplugs for sound, a close pin for smell-lol- taste is how kabuto did it...he vaporized chakra and dispersed it and the crowd breathed it in. he also used a touch genjutsu on the guy next to him before he cast his wide spread genjutsu. touch is rarely employed in genjutsu because it requires close combat witch genjutsu users try to avoid.

so you only need to figure out what sense it targeted by the genjutsu to stop it from affecting you. how ever this is not easy and unless it obvious like talula's fluet it is usually nearly impossible to figure out until you're under it at least once.

[Konohuro]

I disagree with this. If a genjutsu is delivered through sound it doesn't mean the illusion will consist of sounds.

I will assume you mean Tayuya instead of Talula.
Tayuya used a genjutsu delivered through sound that affected the target's sight and pain feeling.

[NinjaMirage]

I disagree with this. If a genjutsu is delivered through sound it doesn't mean the illusion will consist of sounds.

I will assume you mean Tayuya instead of Talula.
Tayuya used a genjutsu delivered through sound that affected the target's sight and pain feeling.

No i agree with that... i'm talking about how to stop the genjutsu from ever effecting you in the first place.
you must stop it at the delivery point the point where it enters the targets body.

[Konohuro]

I disagree with this. If a genjutsu is delivered through sound it doesn't mean the illusion will consist of sounds.

I will assume you mean Tayuya instead of Talula.
Tayuya used a genjutsu delivered through sound that affected the target's sight and pain feeling.

No i agree with that... i'm talking about how to stop the genjutsu from ever effecting you in the first place.
you must stop it at the delivery point the point where it enters the targets body.

Yeah well this is something else. And as i said, it's impossible to pause all your senses and still be able to fight, even with a sensory skill like the one that comes with senjutsu.

[NinjaMirage]

Again you don't need to block all senses just the one targeted by that genjutsu

[Konohuro]

Again you don't need to block all senses just the one targeted by that genjutsu

In this case you would have to stare at your enemy, study his movement and then do like a monkey.

[Yamasukage]

Sandāreisu and Nakadori are allied, I see big things happening (-_- )