General discussion

[lollernoob9]

Death is only perma in certain areas, and then they have a choice to kill you or not. IF a n00b buys a lot of kunai and decides to spam them at you from behind cover, you would move after one throw I hope, and he would have to follow you or give up. also the location of a throw will be given away...If they try to stalk you and atack with long range ninjutsu, you need to lure them out of cover, attack them or get away, or yes they will send you to the hospital. When you have a team vs the n00b ambusher, it becomes easier. I dont think ppl would run around the map alone with the best of intentions, totally unprepared to meet an enemy.
 ofc then you get teams like ESO pvp of higher lvl players who group up to troll ppl. seeing as most strength will come from the abilites you have and what you do with them, the number difference isnt an issue. Even if you train, you will only be able to do more of what you have learned? I hope no rpers go out to have fun and end up ambushed to death because they were typing emotes tho.

Village politics also come into play. If some n00b kills a player from another village, dont think that village and the shinobi's clan/friends would brush it off. You can dig your own grave, esp if you get lured into a perma area and killed by the vengeful party. If someone tries to just go out on their own and find ppl to kill, without it being part of missions, the village might disown them or even allow ninja from the offended village to kill that shinobi. Or they will allow the hostility to build and fight the villages around them.

Tbh most fights would likely happen outside of permadeath areas, but those areas would attract a lot of the n00bs and tr0113r5, the kind of player who wants to tbag you and insult you irl.

[Tameshi Hinode]

,,lets assume for a second that substitution jutsu would act like flamethrower jutsu in the current build. you wave the signs and you run around going about your business until you have a reason to activate it.

if this is the case and you don't do it when your on your own... yes
you should loose your character by now you should know better.''

Its still a small mistake,a small mistake shouldnt decide the outcome of a fight,when you play for months,in my eyes.
But lets focus on that substitution jutsu for now:
You would have to use one,everytime you pass a object that is big enough for someone to hide behind it.
For better understanding,i made a picture:


As you see,you would have to use one substitution jutsu after another,or take the risk of getting ambushed.
That would not only drain chakra,it would also be completely boring and annoying,if you have to travel for over 1 hour.
On top of that,it doesnt feel very authentic.

I hope no rpers go out to have fun and end up ambushed to death because they were typing emotes tho.

This will,without a doubt,happen,sooner or later.

[NinjaMirage]

well what ever the roll play mechanics to push the economy or stories, people should have the right to do what ever the hell they want... but if its trolling and insulting then they wont stay alive long. this is one kind of player i see not liking this kind of game and that is the guy that plays it so they can troll players. its not going to be easy to do in this game.

[lollernoob9]

lol the best way to avoid ambushes is to stay alert and be ready to dodge. When you notice something, then you activate a substitution. If you are moving at more than a walk it would be hard to get that first hit off anyway.

[Tameshi Hinode]

but if its trolling and insulting then they wont stay alive long.

Not only that,insulting someone is also against the rules and can get you in trouble(we would have to make a difference between harmless RP insults,and....you know).

If you are moving at more than a walk it would be hard to get that first hit off anyway.

We dont know that yet.
The combat system,as it is now,will surely undergo many changes before the final release.
We dont have taijutsu yet,for example,or genjutsus.

[NinjaMirage]

there is one thing i don't think you are getting why would you need to setup a substitution the second time it doesn't activate until your hit?

[Tameshi Hinode]

Because a substitution jutsus is not a long term buff or at least,shouldnt be one.
If that would be the case,people would have it active everywhere,all the time,no matter if they are going to fight or not.
And that kinda destroys the,,tactical''aspect of using it.
I doubt it will stay active for more than 1 minute at max.

[NinjaMirage]

a substitution uses a summoning scroll its a item jutsu, this is were the log or doll or what ever comes from. it takes chakra to set up but once used the scroll is consumed you cant use it all the time. you can bring multiple scrolls with you- but i think there should be a limit

Jutsu Name: Ninja Art: Weapon Release
Jutsu Type: Kenjutsu
Jutsu Description: User summons five weapons thrown at the target
Jutsu Level: Beginner
Chakra Nature: Yang Release
Jutsu Range: Low
Effects if hit: Consumes one empty ninja scroll


Jutsu Name: Teleportation Jutsu
Jutsu Type: Ninjutsu
Jutsu Description: User teleports 10 feet away in the direction of their choosing; must know "Ninja Art: Weapon Release" to learn
Jutsu Level: Intermediate
Chakra Nature: Yang Release
Jutsu Range: Medium
Effects if hit: User teleports 10 feet away in the direction of their choosing

Jutsu Name:substitution Jutsu
Jutsu Type: Kenjutsu-ninjutsu
Jutsu Description: summons a log in place of you when you are hit with a attack must know teleportation and weapon release jutsus
Jutsu Level: Intermediate
Chakra Nature: Yang Release
Jutsu Range: Low
Effects if hit: Consumes one bound ninja scroll

[Tameshi Hinode]

a substitution uses a summoning scroll its a item not a jutsu, this is were the log or doll or what ever comes from. it takes chakra to set up but once used the scroll is consumed you cant use it all the time. you can bring multiple scrolls with you- but i think there should be a limmet

I dont think that a scroll is required,its even shown sometimes,that the user has to make handsigns to use the jutsu(sakura vs team dosu,at the chunin exams for example).
Its also explained that you share the location with a nearby object,it doesnt have to be a scroll.
However,if you want it to be based on a scroll in SLO,you would have to make sure that you cant carry many of these scrolls.
In that case,the substitution still shouldnt stay active for more than 2 minutes at max,to keep everything fast paced.

[NinjaMirage]

and the fact that you don't always see them use hand signs would suggest that it was active on them before the fight.
and would not make things slower it would only keep you from getting ambushed to death when your not paying attention in
1 a aria you could potentially loose your character
2 for players with out sensory abilities or pets,
3 how want to be on there own.....
wow thats alot of thing to go horribly wrong if you still die.
and as you said limited number of scrolls and having to wave hand signs in battle plus chakra consumption dose make for a effective battle strategy.
the length of effectiveness is not an issue. i would say that chakra regeneration should be halted while active. And unless you have trained in advanced chakra control (like 5 or higher)any other chakra based attack would disrupt the jutsu.

this does not mean you will not die. all it gives you is a fighting chance to either get away or fight back. either way the cycle of" i couldn't do anything",getting tbaged,and ending up homeless deposition ends with this game

[Shivraj]

Cm, dude. There are many things a shinobi can do that no normal human can do, but being able to see everything, like EVERYTHING is:

1) impossible
2) not what every player can do

don't tell me that you want to be on your heels FOR A GODDAMN NOOB every time you enter a killzone. BTW, a balloon kunai ninja tool is SILENT, it doesn't make any noise, so if there is a noob hiding in, let's say, on a tree, and he jumps down, throws the kunai balloon thing and runs away a bit, if it kills you, he can go to the same location and loot you after killing you and if it doesn't kill you, well, you're a walking and talking feast for any other players that you might encounter in the kill zone.

[NinjaMirage]

I Never even implied that seeing everything is  or should be possible!
sensory information... there is a mini map in the current build for a reason
being able to sense chakra, smell players, communicate with insects, and hear longer distances. these are canon abilities and fyi the byakugan comes dame close to seeing everything. all i want from this mechanic is to know if someone is close a blip in the mini map. that's all you need to avoid an ambush.

being on your toes is what battle in this game is all about. it should not be easy for a noob to kill you after your resistance training and with the amount of PE you trained.(if you play alone a lot this will be critical training) but if they succeed in a good ambush meaning you have no defense up and only are relying on your damage reduction then yes there going to F- you up maybe not kill you but you will definitely feel it and have to withdraw from the fight to heal IF YOU ARE ALONE!(there are medical ninja and first aid kits) i suppose you could stay and fight and risk them getting the finale hits they need in but why risk it for a noob? you'll notice i use IF a lot because there are so many ways to survive this. i have no sympathy for someone that gets killed like this now, all you need to do is play smart and you will survive. that is the game i want to play the one were the smart player wins over a powerful player.

i say no sympathy now because of resistance.you can actualy train this to take more damage then your curant life points can handle.
lets just say 500 life points but your physical energy is above 10000
likely for jonin. bass resistance i suggested was 1%
that's 100 a noob launches a balloon attack like you say.
if 5 kunie are in there and 3 (unguided) hit you each doing 100 damage
this would be a strong jutsu for a noob) you would only take 200 damage.
and that is not training resistance at all past level 1 at level 3 you would take the same damage if all 5 hit.
so in short if you are really worried about this you can now train to insure you will survive.

[Romanashu]

I still love to spam.Hi

[NinjaMirage]

i say no sympathy now because of resistance.you can actualy train this to take more damage then your curant life points can handle.
lets just say 500 life points but your physical energy is above 10000
likely for jonin. bass resistance i suggested was 1%
that's 100 a noob launches a balloon attack like you say.
if 5 kunie are in there and 3 (unguided) hit you each doing 100 damage
this would be a strong jutsu for a noob) you would only take 200 damage.
and that is not training resistance at all past level 1 at level 3 you would take the same damage if all 5 hit.
so in short if you are really worried about this you can now train to insure you will survive.

However if i was this kind of player i would likely be a genjutsu user
they will have glass jaws thowe so they need to be able to effectively ambush to get the first hit in then try and c.c. you before you can counter or get away but this will likely not be a noob
and they will likely not be alone

[Nova]

7/10 Don't know who that is XD

@json243 It's a character from Kingdom hearts series, member of the Organisation XIII.
He was also a boss in the Kindom hearts Final mix / HD 2.5 ReMix
https://youtu.be/6utD60IuTi4?t=56s ^.^