General discussion

[Tameshi Hinode]

And if you fight 1vs1?
There would be no medic.
Sure,you could bring other people with you,but its a bit odd that you,as a experienced veteran of the game,need a escort with at least 1 medic nin(and propably another guy,that protects the medic nin while he is healing you)all because 1 random newbie could jump out of a bush and kill you with a kunai while you are writing a message or doing somethign else.

And yes,you can retreat from a battle,but let me tell you....i experienced open world PK often,both as the victim,and also as the killer.
As the killer,you have plenty of options to make sure that your target wont survive.
You can attack him while he is writing,busy with a mob,stun him when he wants to retreat....
As the victim,however,your options are limited.
The best you can do,is to avoid a fight alltogether.
And this wouldnt be very entertaining,if everyone avoided pvp in a pvp based game.

[NinjaMirage]

lets look at all the things that would have to happen for that balloon thing to kill a jonin player @Shivraj.

1. MUST BE IN A KILL ZONE...
2. you would have to be caught of gaurd or not paying attention in a KILL ZONE!!!!
3. all your defences must be down..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!!
4. you must be in a kill zone alone with no medical ninja in your party- the only likely thing in the list!!!

now as for medical ninja in a party- they would likely be monitoring a battle in a kill zone very carefully

after substitution jutsu activat and other defensive jutsu go down(at jonin level this would take some doing) and your team mate goes down!
i imagine  a smoke bomb activated by the medical ninja  that allows you to go in and extract your team to a near by point pre set up.. this would require stealth and timing on the part of the medical ninja as well as planing  the extraction point ahead of time... all things you would likely do if you were entering a kill zone anyway.here the medical ninja can administer first aid and evac to the nearest hospital.
as you have all said this dose not guarantee that you will not die but it is not as easy as you all seem to think it will be.

even a one hit kill jutsu that connects with substitution jutsu does no damage. and obviously  a wind style shield would be very effective against a jutsu like chidori.  just because a jutsu CAN be a one hit kill dose not guarantee that it will be a one hit kill.

i have one other suggestion to make things more interesting too...

what if jutsu like substitutions and other defencive jutsu(low level) can be captured in a cue at jonin or even chunin levels...
since by the time you hit those levels those elementary jutsu should seem   second nature to execute. you would still need to wave the hand sings but it would be captured in the cue and activate on contact. freeing you up to attack with another jutsu.

for instance lets assume you are attacking with chidori but are worried about a counter attack,

substitution 123
chidori 874

by waving the signs 123874

the substitution is captured in the cue and chidori activates
IF... they counter offensively with a ninjutsu  or other close range chakra based attack the fight is pretty much over... chidori will connect and depending on how high a level you have trained that jutsu it could one hit kill. and how awesome would it be to see all the hard work( of raising your chidori to that level)pay off when they drop after one hit!!!

however IF.. they have a substitution of there own active and they counter with taijutsu or other physical attack then you as the attacker should look out for a incoming attack.. be ready with a block, dodge, or some taijutsu.
many options from here.

and so battles will be decided by the skill of the player, the jutsu you use and being able to decipher the opponent's jutsu, strengths,weaknesses, and possibly more important there fighting style. the people that pick this up quicker will have a bigger advantage. I do not believe that just because you are a higher level you should automatically win over a newer player (while i do agree that you should have a advantage and your battle experience should be much higher). take every battle seriously.... or don't fight.

if we can pull this kind of battle format off it will move this from a simple
mmorpg to a massive multiplayer online role playing simulation.

[Reminance]

lets look at all the things that would have to happen for that balloon thing to kill a jounen player @Shivraj.

1. must be in a kill zone...
2. you would have to be caught of gaurd or not paying attention in a KILL ZONE!!!!
3. all your defences must be down..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!!
4. you must be in a kill zone alone with no medical ninja in your party- the only likely thing in the list!!!

now as for medical ninja in a party- they would likely be monitoring a battle in a kill zone very carefully

after substitution jutsu activat and other defensive jutsu go down and your team mate goes down i imagine  a smoke bomb activated by the medical ninja  that allows you to go in and extract your team to a near by point pre set up.. this would require stealth and timing on the part of the medical ninja as well as planing  the extraction point ahead of time... all things you would likely do if you were entering a kill zone anyway.
as you have all said this dose not guarantee that you will not die but it is not as easy as you all seem to think it will be.

What what the disccusion about again xD?
Still about the being able to get one shot thing?

[NinjaMirage]

yeah just trying to make my ideas clear...

[Tameshi Hinode]

1. MUST BE IN A KILL ZONE...
2. you would have to be caught of gaurd or not paying attention in a KILL ZONE!!!!
3. all your defences must be down..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!!
4. you must be in a kill zone alone with no medical ninja in your party- the only likely thing in the list!!!

now as for medical ninja in a party- they would likely be monitoring a battle in a kill zone very carefully

after substitution jutsu activat and other defensive jutsu go down(at jonin level this would take some doing) and your team mate goes down!
i imagine  a smoke bomb activated by the medical ninja  that allows you to go in and extract your team to a near by point pre set up.. this would require stealth and timing on the part of the medical ninja as well as planing  the extraction point ahead of time... all things you would likely do if you were entering a kill zone anyway.here the medical ninja can administer first aid and evac to the nearest hospital.
as you have all said this dose not guarantee that you will not die but it is not as easy as you all seem to think it will be.

even a one hit kill jutsu that connects with substitution jutsu does no damage.

what if jutsu like substitutions and other defencive jutsu(low level) can be captured in a cue at jonin or even chunin levels...
since by the time you hit those levels those elementary jutsu should seem   second nature to execute. you would still need to wave the hand sings but it would be captured in the cue and activate on contact. freeing you up to attack with another jutsu.

for instance lets assume you are attacking with chidori but are worried about a counter attack,

the substitution is captured in the cue and chidori activates
IF... they counter offensively with a ninjutsu  or other close range chakra based attack the fight is pretty much over... chidori will connect and depending on how high a level you have trained that jutsu it could one hit kill. and how awesome would it be to see all the hard work( of raising your chidori to that level)pay off when they drop after one hit!!!

I do not believe that just because you are a higher level you should automatically win over a newer player (while i do agree that you should have a advantage and your battle experience should be much higher).

About the killzone:

1. MUST BE IN A KILL ZONE... - That shouldnt be hard,since a large part of the world will be a kill zone,from what i understood so far.
2. you would have to be caught of gaurd or not paying attention in a KILL ZONE!!!! - You could pay attention all you want,and still get caught off guard.
You cant look trough rocks or trees,and you cant look in all directions at the same time.
All it takes,is a newbie who hides behind a tree or rock,and onehits you from behind.
You wouldnt have time to make a substitution jutsu or doing anything else,even if you are careful.
You think just because you are careful,you cant get ambushed,well,thats not true.
3. all your defences must be down..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!! - As i wrote above...if you get ambushed,you cant make handsigns before the attack.
If you wander trough the kill zone for hours because of a mission,it can easily happen that you get ambushed by some,,trololo i rekt someone lol''newbie.
4. you must be in a kill zone alone with no medical ninja in your party- the only likely thing in the list!!! - I disagree,this is not the only likely thing in the list.
If you want to know how easy it is to get ambushd even if you pay attention:Play a shooter,walk in a tight area...you will get oneshot by some dude with a shotgun,hiding in a corner,at some point(since so many people compare SLO to a shooter or brawler,i thought this example would do).


You expect a lot from medical ninjas.
First,you shouldnt need a medical ninja for 1,,noob''.
Its just not fair.
-A newbie can try to kill anyone without a real risk(if he is new,he doesnt care about getting killed,because he didnt invest time in his character anyway)and this could even lead to twinks,that people use to kill others,and pass the loot down to ther main character.
-A newbie just has to hide somewhere to kill a passing by veteran with little to no effort.
-A newbie doesnt need help to do that.

-A veteran would have to bring a medic ninja with him.
-A veteran has to be very careful and even if he is,he could still get killed by a noob if its a ambush(beeing on guard and careful for hours,never getting ambushed,seeing trough rocks and trees....yea,sure).
-A veteran invested much more time in his character than a newbie,so he has a way bigger risk.

So you see.....its kinda easy for a newbie but hard for a vetera,and that shoulldnt be the case.
The point of getting stronger,is that you can handle things easier.
A newbie shouldnt be a real threat to you,unless there are 3-4 of them attacking you at the same time,and they are all extraordinary skilled.


A bit more about medic ninjas:
You suggested a smokebomb.
Good.
But i highly doubt that a smoke bomb would hide EVERYTHING.
At best,they would just make it harder to see for a few seconds.
If it would completely take away your vision,it could destroy pvp because everyone would just carry a smoke bomb all the time,and as soon as someone attacks him,he uses it and runs in a random direction.
The attacker would have a very hard time to find out in what direction the victim ran to.
Balancing this isnt impossible but very hard.
You would have to make a chasing player a bit faster than his victim,so he could eventually catch up with him and the victim is forced to fight(that would be one option).
And if the medic ninja picks up a defeated player to revive him,he should obviously be slower,and reviving someone shouldnt happen instantly either.


,,the substitution is captured in the cue and chidori activates
IF... they counter offensively with a ninjutsu  or other close range chakra based attack the fight is pretty much over... chidori will connect and depending on how high a level you have trained that jutsu it could one hit kill. and how awesome would it be to see all the hard work( of raising your chidori to that level)pay off when they drop after one hit!!!''
No,just no.
One hits shouldnt happen in a mmorpg unless your opponent is kinda new and weak.
And what you suggested would be some sort of,,easy mode''because you dont even have to aim the counter attack.
And by the way.....if even newbies could kill someone with 2 hits(maybe even 1),it wouldnt feel very rewarding anyway.


To get back to the core of this......one hits:
From my side its a no.
No matter if its a counter or not.

..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!!

Please dont yell so loud.
You woke me up trough the screen of my pc.

[Reminance]

1. MUST BE IN A KILL ZONE...
2. you would have to be caught of gaurd or not paying attention in a KILL ZONE!!!!
3. all your defences must be down..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!!
4. you must be in a kill zone alone with no medical ninja in your party- the only likely thing in the list!!!

now as for medical ninja in a party- they would likely be monitoring a battle in a kill zone very carefully

after substitution jutsu activat and other defensive jutsu go down(at jonin level this would take some doing) and your team mate goes down!
i imagine  a smoke bomb activated by the medical ninja  that allows you to go in and extract your team to a near by point pre set up.. this would require stealth and timing on the part of the medical ninja as well as planing  the extraction point ahead of time... all things you would likely do if you were entering a kill zone anyway.here the medical ninja can administer first aid and evac to the nearest hospital.
as you have all said this dose not guarantee that you will not die but it is not as easy as you all seem to think it will be.

even a one hit kill jutsu that connects with substitution jutsu does no damage.

what if jutsu like substitutions and other defencive jutsu(low level) can be captured in a cue at jonin or even chunin levels...
since by the time you hit those levels those elementary jutsu should seem   second nature to execute. you would still need to wave the hand sings but it would be captured in the cue and activate on contact. freeing you up to attack with another jutsu.

for instance lets assume you are attacking with chidori but are worried about a counter attack,

the substitution is captured in the cue and chidori activates
IF... they counter offensively with a ninjutsu  or other close range chakra based attack the fight is pretty much over... chidori will connect and depending on how high a level you have trained that jutsu it could one hit kill. and how awesome would it be to see all the hard work( of raising your chidori to that level)pay off when they drop after one hit!!!

I do not believe that just because you are a higher level you should automatically win over a newer player (while i do agree that you should have a advantage and your battle experience should be much higher).

About the killzone:

1. MUST BE IN A KILL ZONE... - That shouldnt be hard,since a large part of the world will be a kill zone,from what i understood so far.
2. you would have to be caught of gaurd or not paying attention in a KILL ZONE!!!! - You could pay attention all you want,and still get caught off guard.
You cant look trough rocks or trees,and you cant look in all directions at the same time.
All it takes,is a newbie who hides behind a tree or rock,and onehits you from behind.
You wouldnt have time to make a substitution jutsus or doing anything else,even if you are careful.
You think just because you are careful,you cant get ambushed,well,thats not true.
3. all your defences must be down..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!! - As i wrote above...if you get ambushed,you cant make handsigns before the attack.
If you wander trough the kill zone for hours because of a mission,it can easily happen that you get ambushed by some,,trololo i rekt someone lol''newbie.
4. you must be in a kill zone alone with no medical ninja in your party- the only likely thing in the list!!! - I disagree,this is not the only likely thing in the list.
If you want to know how easy it is to get ambushd even if you pay attention:Play a shooter,walk in a tight area...you will get oneshot by some dude with a shotgun,hiding in a corner,at some point(since so many people compare SLO to a shooter or brawler,i thought this example would do).


You expect a lot from medical ninjas.
First,you shouldnt need a medical ninja for 1,,noob''.
Its just not fair.
-A newbie can try to kill anyone without a real risk(if he is new,he doesnt care about getting killed,because he didnt invest time in his character anyway(this could even lead to twinks,that people use to kill others,and pass the loot down to ther main character).
-A newbie just has to hide somewhere to kill a passing by veteran with little to no effort.
-A newbie doesnt need help to do that.

-A veteran would have to bring a medic ninja with him.
-A veteran has to be very careful and even if he is,he could still get killed by a noob if its a ambush(beeing on guard and careful for hours,never getting ambushed,seeing trough rocks and trees....yea,sure).
-A veteran invested much more time in his character than a newbie,so he has a way bigger risk.

So you see.....its kinda easy for a newbie but hard for a vetera,and that shoulldnt be the case.
The point of getting stronger,is that you can handle things easier.
A newbie shouldnt be a real threat to you,unless there are 3-4 of them attacking you at the same time,and they are all extraordinary skilled.


A bit more about medic ninjas:
You suggested a smokebomb.
Good.
But i highly doubt that a smoke bomb would hide EVERYTHING.
At best,they would just make it harder to see for a few seconds.
If it would completely take away your vision,it could destroy pvp because everyone would just carry a smoke bomb all the time,and as soon as someone attacks him,he uses it and runs in a random direction.
The attacker would have a very hard time to find out in what direction the victim ran to.
Balancing this isnt impossible but very hard.
You would have to make a chasing player a bit faster than his victim,so he could eventually catch up with him and the victim is forced to fight(that would be one option).
And if the medic ninja picks up a defeated player to revive him,he should obviously be slower,and reviving someone shouldnt happen instantly either.


,,the substitution is captured in the cue and chidori activates
IF... they counter offensively with a ninjutsu  or other close range chakra based attack the fight is pretty much over... chidori will connect and depending on how high a level you have trained that jutsu it could one hit kill. and how awesome would it be to see all the hard work( of raising your chidori to that level)pay off when they drop after one hit!!!''
No,just no.
One hits shouldnt happen in a mmorpg unless your opponent is kinda new and weak.
And what you suggested would be some sort of,,easy mode''because you dont even have to aim the counter attack.
And by the way.....if even newbies could kill someone with 2 hits(maybe even 1),it wouldnt feel very rewarding anyway.


To get back to the core of this......one hits:
From my side its a no.
No matter if its a counter or not.

..... IN A KILL ZONE!!!!!!!!

Please dont yell so loud.
You woke me up trough the screen of my pc.

+rep And im sure we almost all agree on not getting one shot by some random noob.

[NinjaMirage]

If i was killed by noob after all my hard work i would be disappointed...but only in myself

the only thing i disagree with in your argument is this:

"The point of getting stronger,is that you can handle things easier."

its the core of your position which is why you and i don't agree on this. which is fine.

the POINT of getting stronger is to protect your village, clan, family,or something. this is never easy. 

 that its why this game cannot be like other mmorpgs were leveling up and getting new equipment make it so  'you can handle things easier."

remember that if your a jounin you will have greater chakra reserves then a new player
you will be more experienced at defencive jutsu and you will be faster then a new player.
you will have more powerful jutsu.

these are little advantages i know and can be overcome but gaining life as you level, i will never agree with that in this game, there are to many ways to stop attacks, dodge or block for there to be any reason to do that. what can kill you as a genin should be able to kill you as a jonin. this is the heart of my argument.

[Tameshi Hinode]

With all respect...but what you say doesnt make sense.


,,the POINT of getting stronger is to protect your village, clan, family,or something. this is never easy. ''
Getting stronger,helps you to do exactly that.
If you are stronger,you can protect your village,clan,family or someone else more easy as if you would be weak.
And why should it be,that you die just as easily as a genin,while beeing a jonin yourself?
Just because the game has action combat?
I tell you something....tera,raiderz,darkfall,mortal online....they all have action combat too.
But they still have 1 thing in common:your character gets stronger the more you play.


,,the POINT of getting stronger is to protect your village, clan, family,or something. this is never easy. 

 that its why this game cannot be like other mmorpgs were leveling up and getting new equipment make it so  'you can handle things easier''

Once more,you dont make any sense to me,sorry.
What does having to protect your village,clan,family....have to do with leveling up or getting better equipment?
You can lvl up and get better equipment while still protecting your village or clan(by the way,i didnt suggest to implement levels,i suggested character progression).
Also....not everyone wants that.
Basically,you get stronger to achieve your goals more easy.
Some want to get stronger to protect someone.
Others just want to cause trouble.
Other people might be interested in tournaments or war.
Everyone has his own reason,as expected from a sandbox mmo.


,,If i was killed by noob after all my hard work i would be disappointed...but only in myself''
A admirable point of view,but not a realistic one.
I can assure you,when the game is released,when you are a jonin,a well known and experienced player who has invested months,if not years,into his character and then you get killed by a newbie with 1 kunai attack.....you will definatly be mad.
Ive seen that happen to some people.
You honestly cant expect the players to move the camera around in panic,for 2-3 hours because somewhere,a noob could kill you with 1 kunai throw,thats insane.
There is no shame in losing to a coward who kills you with 1 attack from behind,the shame would be on the attacker.
In the anime,the jonin are strong,awesome and everything...i get it.
But here,everyone is just a player,and they have limits.
Its not even entertaining to run around for hours while you nearly get a heart attack because some noob might throw 1 kunai at you and kill you.

Let me repeat it:
This is not a shooter.
Its a mmorpg.
And just because its a mmorpg,it doesnt have to be like world of warcraft,there are plenty of mmo,s on the market,not just wow clones.
But people expect to make progress in a mmorpg.
Its a important part of it,its not a MOBA.
Ofcourse,you wouldnt need to stab someone 200 times because he playes for months and you dont.
But character progression is totally fine,as long as people dont get too overpowered.

[Sanji]

lets make this clear, if someone want like u want it cmsurfer it will be like that 10% want it and 90% dont want, so.....

and for u Tameshi Hinode

why u need to protect your village, clan, family,or something i mean only the few u will help them.
ex wt if cmsurfer  is need help and he is from u r same village i dont think u will help him but i know u r answer will be yes i will help him. let make this clear as well, 5% will try to help him and 95% will not....and ofc i am with the 95% no offence bro,it is my char i work on it morning and night, but maybe we become friends i will help u. ..........but thats the game life if u want like that

now for that kunai u talk about wtf why only one hit  even it is a noob he cant kill u with a fucking one hit no one will made someone lvl 50 killed by someone lvl 10 or 30 it will be hard af for them to kill you, even with a shity kunai even in the head lets say u r hp is 1000 when the kunai hit u r head  it will only be critical and u r hp will be 800 thats wt the critical do.

so yeah now it is all clear.

[NinjaMirage]

ok lets get one thing straight i only care about your hit points. that's what i mean by what CAN kill you as a genin CAN kill you as a jonin. if it takes 3 hits 4 hits 10 hits with a kunie whatever if it kills you as a genin and if you get hit the same number of times as a jonin you will still die...as a jonin this will be much harder this is the key point i what to get across.genine life points 100
          jonin life points 100
that's it that the only thing i am saying there is too many other ways to get strong then to gain life points

[Tameshi Hinode]

and for u Tameshi Hinode

why u need to protect your village, clan, family,or something i mean only the few u will help them.
ex wt if cmsurfer  is need help and he is from u r same village i dont think u will help him but i know u r answer will be yes i will help him. let make this clear as well, 5% will try to help him and 95% will not....and ofc i am with the 95% no offence bro.....but thats the game life if u want like that

Im not sure i understand what you are trying to say.
First,you dont,,need''to protect your village,clan or family.
I clearly wrote that everyone has his own goals.
I just used that example because cmsurfer brought it up.
As for me,i definatly plan to serve my village and the kage of that villgage.
Not because i have to,its just what i want to do.
And if i say village,i mean village.
I would help everyone there,if i like that person or not.
This has 2 reasons:
1)If its a order,its a order.
If you serve someone,you trust his judgement and you do what you get told.
That makes a good footsoldier.
So,if the kage wants me to protect someone from the village,i do it,because thats my job.

2)I am able to make a difference between,,personal issues''and,,beeing professional''.
Not helping someone and ignoring orders just because i dont like someone,its highly unprofessional.
You either serve a village,or you dont.
However,thats just my personal motivation.

,,i dont think u will help him but i know u r answer will be yes''
Yes and no.
You are correct,if you expected me to reply with,,yes''because i would indeed help him,but you are wrong if you think i wouldnt do it.
I should point out that i neither like,nor dislike,cmsurfer.
I am in no position to judge about his character just because i dont agree with the things he suggests.
He is simply a stranger to me,like most other members of the forum,neutral,if you want to put it this way.
So i would just do what i think is right and help him out if he lives in the same village as me.
Again,just because i disagree with someone,it doesnt mean that i dont like him.
I try to be polite,even if i talk with people i disagree with.

,,now for that kunai u talk about wtf why only one hit''
Ask cmsurfer that,he suggested onehits.


EDIT:Just saw your latest post,cmsurfer.
I understood what you mean,but i still dont agree with it.
You said there are multiple other ways to make your character stronger,so i dont see a reason why only health should be left out.
Upgrading your health/defense is kinda normal in mmorpg,s.

[NinjaMirage]

I know its a different concept from other mmorpgs

but look at it from this point of view. when i was 18 getting stabbed 5 times in the chest would kill me, i'm 33 now i know how to avoid strange places that makes this likely and i know how to disarm someone with a knife now but if some how i was in a bad place and could not defend my self getting stabbed 5 times will still kill me

i think the strength in this game should come from training jutsu maybe some jutsu can temporarily increase the amount of damage you can take at expense of stamina.
training block to a passive ability  so someone throwing a kunai can't just snipe you from a bush. there are countless jutsu to stop physical attacks, there is no reason to increase your hitpoints

[Sanji]

ok lets get one thing straight i only care about your hit points. that's what i mean by what CAN kill you as a genin CAN kill you as a jonin. if it takes 3 hits 4 hits 10 hits with a kunie whatever if it kills you as a genin and if you get hit the same number of times as a jonin you will still die...as a jonin this will be much harder this is the key point i what to get across.genine life points 100
          jonin life points 100
that's it that the only thing i am saying there is too many other ways to get strong then to gain life points

i got it now.
even if he is jonin, genin can beat him i like u r idea
but the jonin got to have more jutsus and shit like that.
i am with u r idea, i guess u should do a suggestion topic about that. (:

[Tameshi Hinode]

I know its a different concept from other mmorpgs
but look at it from this point of view. when i was 18 getting stabbed 5 times in the chest would kill me, i'm 33 now i know how to avoid strange places that makes this likely and i know how to disarm someone with a knife now but if some how i was in a bad place and could not defend my self getting stabbed 5 times will still kill me

Im not saying that your idea is unrealistic.
But as you just said yourself,its a different concept,and i cant say im a fan of it.
If a complete new player has,lets say,100 hit points,a player who plays the game for 1 year could have 300 hit points maybe.
It wouldnt make a very big difference but it would still give you the feeling that your character is stronger(besides having more chakra or better jutsus).
By the way.....the,,stab''example may work,but if it comes to unarmed fights,you can definatly train to endure more punches than other people.
Generally speaking,some people are more resistant to pain than others.

PS:Besides everyone having the same ammount of hitpoints,you also suggested certain attacks to be onehits(a counter with chidori for example).
If everyone would have the same ammount of hit points,this would mean that every player,no matter how long he played the game,could die from 1 attack.
Or did you change your mind about one hits?(not tryint to provoke or anything,id just like to know if we are done with the one hit topic for now or not).

[NinjaMirage]

I still think high level jutsu like chidori could kill in one hit but that is high level jutsu
only people that have played for a long time and trained in it can do it. i suggest this because in battle between equally experienced shinobi there will be a lot of diversionary and
indirect combat that will use chakra and stamina. eventually you will run out of chakra and when that happens it will be however has more chakra will win. to avoid this if you can get around there defence and connect with a powerful jutsu then you can end it right there.I do not think this should be easy and should have something to do with them making a mistake
but i don't think that noobs should even be considered in this because were are talking about advanced battle techniques.

EDIT:
and you make a good point noobs will probably get more punch drunk then other players especially genjutsu users. however the effect of being able to take more hits comes out of stamina not life.. this is why taijutsu users train in stamina and mostly only stamina because it mean they can absorb more damage form hits i'm not saying you can't be beaten to death but the taijutsu attacks will drain stamina till they pass out at this point even if they still have life points(unlikely) the fight is over.(think gaara vs rock lee)
 so training to limit the amount of samina each blow drains is another key training tool for a shinobi