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Shinobi Life Online Category => Shinobi Life Online Discussion => Topic started by: Mars on August 05, 2016, 18:04:40
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Practical test is just so unfair.
I'll list off why
> The test should be fair, everyone should have the same chance to get kage
> Why should it be easier for some people?
Two of the best players may end up fighting (limits and Ken). One of these players will lose and in turn they will get 0 points for the in game exam even though they're the best in game.
Whereas an average player could fight a bad player and would get more points than the best players.
> People who did badly in every other test could still become kage if they had a shitty candidate to face against in the practicals and they didn't get negative points totalled from the other two tests
It would be smarter to have one person face everyone and assign points respectively to how well the candidates did
eg Nova fights all the candidates and you get points based on how many times you hit him.
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Also there is a possibility that neither Ken or limits will become kages if they end up fighting each other.
According to the actual system, if you win with low health then you will receive less points. Between the two above it will be a close combat and the winner will most likely have low health therefore he won't get enough points to become Kage even if he is maybe the best player in the whole community.
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I completely agree with this, the system just seems flawed tbh. Not that some of us have any chance anyway, but this is not a level playing field and the people with the easier matchups that may not be as good at the game itself will get more points and do better, as Kono said.
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they can fight vreg so yea
> Why should it be easier for some people? like who i think they are all good in game skill...
but that are the rules if you will keep this it will be like the first kage test>>>>
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The only thing I could give against it being that people who scored incredibly poorly on the first & second test, are able to still get enough points by simply rekking their opponent (if the opponent did well at both first & second test but aren't doing as prominent in the third they would lose their chance even though they overall did better.)
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The only thing I could give against it being that people who scored incredibly poorly on the first & second test, are able to still get enough points by simply rekking their opponent (if the opponent did well at both first & second test but aren't doing as prominent in the third they would lose their chance even though they overall did better.)
*Coughs*Naruto Uzumaki*Coughs*
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The only thing I could give against it being that people who scored incredibly poorly on the first & second test, are able to still get enough points by simply rekking their opponent (if the opponent did well at both first & second test but aren't doing as prominent in the third they would lose their chance even though they overall did better.)
*Coughs*Naruto Uzumaki*Coughs*
It annoys me because it was all BS how Naruto beat Kiba AND Neji, the two strongest rookies in the chunin exams.
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It's unfair.
@Sanji if you honestly think Ken fighting limits and only one of them getting points for the in game exam is fair you're retarded.
And even if you do fight Vreg, he's actually pretty good and that's not fair when people get to go against absolute rookies.
I could do jack shit for the first two tests if I signed up to a village where I'm better than my competitor, flaw them in the practical and get enough points for kage.
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To be honest, I think it is fair. Nothing makes you better than the other one, so why would they pick opponents specially? You are all on the same level as others. Just because some of you fight better generally, shouldn't make you more priviliged than others, because if Iam right such things are not noted officially, so can't be proved. Opinions are usually subjective, so wouldn't be fair to others to pick according to that. You all ask for easier matches for yourself right now, and that is not fair neither. I think it is fair that you can get anyone. Sports work the same way, may strong teams get each other. (yes, it is the same)
There is only one thing, that is really dumb. Why people, who go for different village's kageship have to fight against each other? If a given village's only candidate loses, then how will you pick the kage for that one? Kages shouldn't fight against candidates from other villages, but the rest seems to be ok. Candidates should fight against the ones, who go for the same kageship. If there is no another, then that guy is lucky. In an election if there is no opponent, then obviously the one wins, who went for the role. We all had chance to apply, if there is only one for a kageship, then no fight should be held. Either this, or the current system left to decide. I don't think there are better options to pick kages.
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To be honest, I think it is fair. Nothing makes you better than the other one, so why would they pick opponents specially? You are all on the same level as others. Just because some of you fight better generally, shouldn't make you more priviliged than others, because if Iam right such things are not noted officially, so can't be proved. Opinions are usually subjective, so wouldn't be fair to others to pick according to that. You all ask for easier matches for yourself right now, and that is not fair neither. I think it is fair that you can get anyone. Sports work the same way, may strong teams get each other. (yes, it is the same)
I said everyone should have a fair shot against the same opponent. This would mean the test is fair. I didn't say some players should have easier matches.
And actually, things do make you better than each other. You can't go and say everyone is on the same skill level, because they're not.
However, that wasn't my point.
My point was that everyone's test should be the same difficulty.
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To be honest, I think it is fair. Nothing makes you better than the other one, so why would they pick opponents specially? You are all on the same level as others. Just because some of you fight better generally, shouldn't make you more priviliged than others, because if Iam right such things are not noted officially, so can't be proved. Opinions are usually subjective, so wouldn't be fair to others to pick according to that. You all ask for easier matches for yourself right now, and that is not fair neither. I think it is fair that you can get anyone. Sports work the same way, may strong teams get each other. (yes, it is the same)
I said everyone should have a fair shot against the same opponent. This would mean the test is fair. I didn't say some players should have easier matches.
And actually, things do make you better than each other. You can't go and say everyone is on the same skill level, because they're not.
However, that wasn't my point.
My point was that everyone's test should be the same difficulty.
Mars, I didn't talk about your posts. I simply wanted to bring another option in my last lines. The first part was simply my opinion. I simply talked about fairness, then said it is stupid that everybody faces with people who go for different kageships. I'd make it local instead of global. Those who go for one given village, they should face against each other only. Those who went alone for a role, then they are lucky. Just like elections, if you go alone, there an election held, but you know the result already as there are no more options.
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Practical test is just so unfair.
I'll list off why
> The test should be fair, everyone should have the same chance to get kage
> Why should it be easier for some people?
Two of the best players may end up fighting (limits and Ken). One of these players will lose and in turn they will get 0 points for the in game exam even though they're the best in game.
Whereas an average player could fight a bad player and would get more points than the best players.
> People who did badly in every other test could still become kage if they had a shitty candidate to face against in the practicals and they didn't get negative points totalled from the other two tests
It would be smarter to have one person face everyone and assign points respectively to how well the candidates did
eg Nova fights all the candidates and you get points based on how many times you hit him.
This was created because you already have pre-judgments in mind that A is a better player than B. I don't, I see all of you with equal potentials. Also, if you are worried because limits might fight Ken and either of them will lose, then ask them to fight someone else to up their chance. It could be that the two candidates in other village are equally weak and one is not deserving to be a Kage. This is analogous to a country with two presidential candidates. They could be equally weak or strong but, that country, in our case, village has no choice but to have one of them. Candidates belonging in assorted cluster are just village leaders who should fight for their village and if you lose then the village has no kage.
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The only thing I could give against it being that people who scored incredibly poorly on the first & second test, are able to still get enough points by simply rekking their opponent (if the opponent did well at both first & second test but aren't doing as prominent in the third they would lose their chance even though they overall did better.)
Oh this is not a problem. It is for that reason that each player has to do well in every test. The sense of responsibility should prevail. We don't want the "Oh I should not be worried with this shit Theoretical test, I'll do better in the Practical test." Then you won over your opponent in Practical test but have insufficient points. You'll be reminded with the points you could have gathered had you done better in the previous test.
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Also there is a possibility that neither Ken or limits will become kages if they end up fighting each other.
According to the actual system, if you win with low health then you will receive less points. Between the two above it will be a close combat and the winner will most likely have low health therefore he won't get enough points to become Kage even if he is maybe the best player in the whole community.
Now you guys are painting as if other candidates are no match and should not even try or think of fighting these two. While it is true (according to you) that these two are good players, the other candidates should try and give it a shot. Also, if I'm limits, practically why would I only fight Ken if I can safeguard more points fighting other candidates I can surely beat?
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The only thing I could give against it being that people who scored incredibly poorly on the first & second test, are able to still get enough points by simply rekking their opponent (if the opponent did well at both first & second test but aren't doing as prominent in the third they would lose their chance even though they overall did better.)
Oh this is not a problem. It is for that reason that each player has to do well in every test. The sense of responsibility should prevail. We don't want the "Oh I should not be worried with this shit Theoretical test, I'll do better in the Practical test." Then you won over your opponent in Practical test but have insufficient points. You'll be reminded with the points you could have gathered had you done better in the previous test.
But that's what you have. You can get all 500 points you need to become kage from the practical test, making the other two irrelevant.
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The only thing I could give against it being that people who scored incredibly poorly on the first & second test, are able to still get enough points by simply rekking their opponent (if the opponent did well at both first & second test but aren't doing as prominent in the third they would lose their chance even though they overall did better.)
Oh this is not a problem. It is for that reason that each player has to do well in every test. The sense of responsibility should prevail. We don't want the "Oh I should not be worried with this shit Theoretical test, I'll do better in the Practical test." Then you won over your opponent in Practical test but have insufficient points. You'll be reminded with the points you could have gathered had you done better in the previous test.
But that's what you have. You can get all 500 points you need to become kage from the practical test, making the other two irrelevant.
IF you totally rek your opponent without suffering any damage.
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^That's surely gonna happen if your opponent is extremely weak and he couldn't do damage on you retaining your health points and consequently the points you get. The 500 points in this test is given so you have enough allowance, as we expect you will lose health points in the process. Giving you sufficient points like 350 or something is very tight we may end up with no one winning.
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^That's surely gonna happen if your opponent is extremely weak and he couldn't do damage on you retaining your health points and consequently the points you get. The 500 points in this test is given so you have enough allowance, as we expect you will lose health points in the process. Giving you sufficient points like 350 or something is very tight we may end up with no one winning.
IMO you should give equal weight to each section.
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^That's surely gonna happen if your opponent is extremely weak and he couldn't do damage on you retaining your health points and consequently the points you get. The 500 points in this test is given so you have enough allowance, as we expect you will lose health points in the process. Giving you sufficient points like 350 or something is very tight we may end up with no one winning.
IMO you should give equal weight to each section.
Read my response to Nova.
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^That's surely gonna happen if your opponent is extremely weak and he couldn't do damage on you retaining your health points and consequently the points you get. The 500 points in this test is given so you have enough allowance, as we expect you will lose health points in the process. Giving you sufficient points like 350 or something is very tight we may end up with no one winning.
IMO you should give equal weight to each section.
Read my response to Nova.
You may be of the opinion that each part should play an equal role, but the system you created doesn't reflect that. Personally, I don't like the scoring on the last part. For the first two parts you can score a max of 410 points (110 and 300). This means that you need to survive with 90 hp left, so right off the bat half of the candidates are eliminated. You believe these will be close matches, so even fewer make it through. I don't disagree with a high failure rate, if the test is designed so the best score highest.
One problem I have is that the final test measures how much better you are than your opponent, not how much better you are than the candidate pool as a whole. It assumes that all of the players are of equal skill, a premise which I find laughable.
My second problem you acknowledged clearly. If your opponent is extremely weak you get a free ride to kage. Here's a hypothetical, Kono is an egotistical bastard. He applied for kage, but thought, "why bother practicing in game? I'm a god!" So he is popular enough and smart enough to make it through the first two rounds in a good position. He gets matched up with Leebz, who got every answer wrong on the second exam. Leebz takes a shit on Kono and makes it out with full HP. I would suggest that neither deserve to be kage, but under the current system Kono fails and Leebz passes. While this is going, on Mars and Remi are going to fight. They both did well on parts one and two, and each of them practiced and is in good fighting shape. It was a close match and Mars barely took it with 200 hp remaining. Neither become kage. So right now we have two people who might deserve kage, and two who don't. The only one who passes this test, as a whole, is someone who wouldn't meet my criteria for kage. I accept that this is outlandish, but this sort of situation is inevitable over many kage exams.
I have no stake in this, but I feel these are the general complaints coming from the community.
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i think its safe to say I am by far the weakest
Player In terms of skill In The kage elections. I Realy don't expect to win...In a strait chidori boxing match I know there is no way I can win against Mars. however there are other options now. A defensive style of play may be preferred to all out offensive.... Just food for thought
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Also there is a possibility that neither Ken or limits will become kages if they end up fighting each other.
According to the actual system, if you win with low health then you will receive less points. Between the two above it will be a close combat and the winner will most likely have low health therefore he won't get enough points to become Kage even if he is maybe the best player in the whole community.
Now you guys are painting as if other candidates are no match and should not even try or think of fighting these two. While it is true (according to you) that these two are good players, the other candidates should try and give it a shot. Also, if I'm limits, practically why would I only fight Ken if I can safeguard more points fighting other candidates I can surely beat?
Because if Kono can't do it, and I'm fighting cmsurfer, Ken is limits' only other possible match
And Charlie made a brilliant point. This test tests how much better you are than your opponent, not how good you are in the candidate pool.
+rep for that
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i think its safe to say I am by far the weakest
Player In terms of skill In The kage elections. I Realy don't expect to win...In a strait chidori boxing match I know there is no way I can win against Mars. however there are other options now. A defensive style of play may be preferred to all out offensive.... Just food for thought
Apparently trapping someone in ED and then breathing fire against it damages the person.
Playing it defensive is definitely an option right now.
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Another thing is that this is incredibly easy to game. Since you fight people from your village, two people from the same village could apply. Then one could throw the last portion and the other would be guaranteed kage.
However, I do think the outrage is unnecessary given that this is just a forum thing that the mods are putting on for our enjoyment.
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Another thing is that this is incredibly easy to game. Since you fight people from your village, two people from the same village could apply. Then one could throw the last portion and the other would be guaranteed kage.
However, I do think the outrage is unnecessary given that this is just a forum thing that the mods are putting on for our enjoyment.
If it is just a forum thing, I retract my statement.
Adding to that we are only kages for on the forums.
When there is more content new kage exams will be held.
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Phew I easily get exhausted with long explanation.
1. If you got literally 0 in the previous exam you are eliminated as I have stated. Why would we let you proceed if you didn't pass or at least responsible enough to answer the second test. So in your hypothetical situation where Leebz got all wrong, he cannot proceed to the final test. So yes, the previous tests are not irrelevant or weighed less as you believe.
2. This is to test your basic skill and dexterity. Not your special skills or representation of yourself (Who said that?). If you aspire to be a Kage basic skill mastery should be easy.
3. To have a weak opponent may be tantamount to free ride. But, hey what can we do if your rival in your village is weak? You, therefore, are better and more deserving comparatively. As I've said, in real world if they have two candidates vying for presidency they have no choice but to be lead by either a weak or a weaker president.
4. Some say the previous two are irrelevant but look at your example if you scored 410 in the previous tests, isn't opting for 90 pts or 135 hp (x1.5) an advantage? Again this will be accumulated points.
5. People in Assorted Cluster should see this as a battle of territories, that someone is invading your territory, that Mars inviting cmsurfer for a fight means Mars trying to invade cmsurfer's village and he should defend it. The rest are just battling for one position in that certain village.
6. Correct me if I'm wrong, Charlie, you mean if he withdraws from the final test? The rival will not become a Kage automatically as he will be placed in Assorted Cluster to fight. Please read the mechanics.
7. If you have that mentality of "Oh he's better than me he's been here for years." then why did you join if you know you need more years and development to begin with?
8. This is a Kage Election. <-- That should speak a lot.
9. It is possible to have no Kage after this event and Vreg would be fine if that happens.
Now it makes me believe that the mid tiers (you gave this impression as you picture limits and Ken as above you) are prone to worries.
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6. Correct me if I'm wrong, Charlie, you mean if he withdraws from the final test? The rival will not become a Kage automatically as he will be placed in Assorted Cluster to fight. Please read the mechanics.
I meant that someone would purposely lose, not withdraw.
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6. Correct me if I'm wrong, Charlie, you mean if he withdraws from the final test? The rival will not become a Kage automatically as he will be placed in Assorted Cluster to fight. Please read the mechanics.
I meant that someone would purposely lose, not withdraw.
Is that a problem? Why would you join the long test only to purposely lose? Also, it has nothing to do with how the election was designed. You could purposely lose anytime, at any scheme. It is not the moderators' problem though if you wanna lose. But I believe everyone here are eager to become a Kage.