Shinobi Life Online
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: KanoMiwa on July 08, 2016, 16:49:58
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Look, so I don't post on here very often or anything so I'm not a very active member of the community. I just wanted to talk about something. Literally 99% of the clans I see have the typical strengths and weaknesses.
Strengths:
Large Chakra reserve
Multiple Chakra natures
Ninjutsu
Kenjustu
Taijutsu
(These are the typical strengths I see on almost every clan.)
Weaknesses:
Genjutsu
(Practically every single clan is vulnerable to genjutsu)
So if a clan that excelled at Genjutsu came along, and they were also good at Taijutsu, or Ninjutsu (one of the two since the other would have to be a weakness) Wouldn't they have a clear advantage over most of the SLO players?
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Lol... good point, what I think is genjutsu is a quite awesome technique and not many can master it, so all the clans existing, just to balance their strengths and weaknesses, have did so... cuz no matter whatever jutsu you know, as long as you're under a genjutsu, you cannot do stuff...
(Its just my opinion)
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I agree, but in every clan I'm guessing theres still a group of people who will use genjutsu. For example: My clan, Tsukegami, has a weakness of genjutsu. But theres a small group of us (including me) who will use genjutsu, and even have it as there advanced specialty and such. So I suppose they will still have some sort of balance between the two clans.
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I wouldn't say a clear advantage as Genjutsu is risky to use; it leaves the user vulnerable and is difficult to initiate. Also, IIRC, genjutsu won't have techniques that do damage so being susceptible to genjutsu isn't too much of a disadvantage for clans. I would think that a clan which specializes in (only) genjutsu would be more at disadvantage than a clan that has a weakness to genjutsu.
At least, that's how I see it.
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I agree, but in every clan I'm guessing theres still a group of people who will use genjutsu. For example: My clan, Tsukegami, has a weakness of genjutsu. But theres a small group of us (including me) who will use genjutsu, and even have it as there advanced specialty and such. So I suppose they will still have some sort of balance between the two clans.
^^^ This.
Tsukegami's weakness is Genjutsu but some of us are going to specialise in it.
Genjutsu will also not be able to cause any damage ingame as Zama said; it will be purely for disabling and distracting the enemy.
For this reason if someone were to specialise in Gen, they'd have a similar tactical use to a medical ninja.
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For weaknesses, I didn't think of it as like traditional Pokemon. "Strong against ninjutsu weak against genjutsu" kind of thing. I figured it was just the clan members are just more commonly better at Ninjutsu, and most of thats clan members who try to use genjutsu aren't very good. How can you be more susceptible to another jutsu type than another clan lol. Long story short I just assumed it meant that it was less likely to have good genjutsu users in a certain clan, and their strengths are their specialties.
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I don't get the whole strengths and weaknesses shit.
As far as I know, in-game you wont get perks or disadvantages for joining a clan.
It's just some retarded old template which caused this to be tradition.
Even if perks etc are added people will most likely be able to train their weaknesses up to average level anyway.
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Yeah what mars said too, it's like the Hyuuga clan. Their specialty would be Taijutsu with gentle fist, and weakness would be say genjutsu or ninjutsu. It's not because their born and go "looks like I dont have the capacity to learn genjutsu or ninjutsu". They just get trained in Taijutsu and that becomes their main focus. You can train whatever you want to in game, you should use the Strengths/Weaknesses category in your clan page as more of like, a lore addition or a bio, rather than an actual enforced rule.
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If you create a clan who specializes in genjutsu+taijutsu/ninjutsu, it would mean all the others are weakness. But don't your weaknesses coincide with other clan's strengths?
How I see the clan strength/weakness system: when you are clanless, you decide how your want your character to be, ex: good at kenjutsu, weak at genjutsu. Then you search for a clan who has the same characteristics as you, as no one can force you to have a certain weakness because of your clan except yourself.
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For the purposes of SLO genjutsu will likely be nothing more then a support tree. Allowing you to stall stop or confuse opponents to get a tactical advantage...in naruto there is no Limet to what a advanced genjutsu user could do... There only limited by there imagination... SLO is a virtual world and there for has inherent limitations. If a strength/ weekeness system is developed for clans it should be how sepseptable to Jutsu you are... So some one from one clan will be effected by a genjutsu longer then another clan that is stronger at the same caster skill level.
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For the purposes of SLO genjutsu will likely be nothing more then a support tree. Allowing you to stall stop or confuse opponents to get a tactical advantage...in naruto there is no Limet to what a advanced genjutsu user could do... There only limited by there imagination... SLO is a virtual world and there for has inherent limitations. If a strength/ weekeness system is developed for clans it should be how sepseptable to Jutsu you are... So some one from one clan will be effected by a genjutsu longer then another clan that is stronger at the same caster skill level.
Interesting thought on the matter.
In my own opinion, Genjutsu is incredibly underrated. True, it can't do any semblance of physical damage...but I believe a host of players tend to forget *why* Genjutsu users are typically seen as top-priority; that being, they don't 'have' to fight you head on. With the ability to distract and disorient --and believe me when I say, having your screen be screwed with is EXTREMELY difficult to combat, I should know given I run on the lowest resolution where the UI is super-sized-- one's foes, you can simply wait them out. For certain objectives, you won't even have to specifically *engage* the enemy -- as in the case of a retrieval mission, or a scouting mission in which you need to fool sensory ninjas in order to get past enemy lines.
...and that's without even counting the Genjutsu users who *will* utilize it in normal combat. A genjutsu user who chooses to ambush opponents would be extremely deadly, and could possibly take on shinobi with faaaaarrr and away greater jutsu and chakra reserves simply by disorienting them before using --and I believe a lot of these said clans forget this-- *regular weapons* as their actual devices of damage. Even if, say, that opponent ran about the blue-screen illusion spewing fire-breath, the bushwacker could simply wait him out until he'd exhausted himself, before once more finishing him off.
To take a quote from the Star Wars EU: "A fight is never truly a fight in itself, merely a distraction from the ultimate goal, and best countered with another distraction."
Genjutsu is *all about* distraction -- don't underestimate it so highly when you're creating a character, clan, org, et cetera...it may well cost you dearly.
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For the purposes of SLO genjutsu will likely be nothing more then a support tree. Allowing you to stall stop or confuse opponents to get a tactical advantage...in naruto there is no Limet to what a advanced genjutsu user could do... There only limited by there imagination... SLO is a virtual world and there for has inherent limitations. If a strength/ weekeness system is developed for clans it should be how sepseptable to Jutsu you are... So some one from one clan will be effected by a genjutsu longer then another clan that is stronger at the same caster skill level.
Interesting thought on the matter.
In my own opinion, Genjutsu is incredibly underrated. True, it can't do any semblance of physical damage...but I believe a host of players tend to forget *why* Genjutsu users are typically seen as top-priority; that being, they don't 'have' to fight you head on. With the ability to distract and disorient --and believe me when I say, having your screen be screwed with is EXTREMELY difficult to combat, I should know given I run on the lowest resolution where the UI is super-sized-- one's foes, you can simply wait them out. For certain objectives, you won't even have to specifically *engage* the enemy -- as in the case of a retrieval mission, or a scouting mission in which you need to fool sensory ninjas in order to get past enemy lines.
...and that's without even counting the Genjutsu users who *will* utilize it in normal combat. A genjutsu user who chooses to ambush opponents would be extremely deadly, and could possibly take on shinobi with faaaaarrr and away greater jutsu and chakra reserves simply by disorienting them before using --and I believe a lot of these said clans forget this-- *regular weapons* as their actual devices of damage. Even if, say, that opponent ran about the blue-screen illusion spewing fire-breath, the bushwacker could simply wait him out until he'd exhausted himself, before once more finishing him off.
To take a quote from the Star Wars EU: "A fight is never truly a fight in itself, merely a distraction from the ultimate goal, and best countered with another distraction."
Genjutsu is *all about* distraction -- don't underestimate it so highly when you're creating a character, clan, org, et cetera...it may well cost you dearly.
I just read all of this, and I can say, agreed.
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Like Dragon said i think that Genjustu is underrated.
Stun and Distract are one of the most useful cc abilities in most mmo that are great to have if you are going solo and must have in big team/party.And i think that it can really shine in SLO since not only can you stun/distract enemy and kill him with regular weapon you could also Capture enemy alive for interrogation/imprisonment/ransom...
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IMO.. weak against Genjutsu should rather be an individual disadvantage rather than be a clan weakness.
See, Genjutsu is something which can be easily be broken through the release technique (Kai) . The thing is, the more you train, the better you get in resisting genjutsu. Also, it can be broken by applying a chakra surge around you by your teammate/partner.. one more method is causing pain to your own self to escape genjutsu.... All these can be achieved through training+ experience .... and if there will be any KKG similar to sharingan, breaking genjutsu will be easier for that clan (then again, experience req.)
so basically.... genjutsu as a weakness or strength should be variable from person to person on the basis of their training and experience. :)
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Genjutsu is definitely underrated.
Like Razor said, most MMO's have stun moves that are always used, and these moves are extremely useful.
The ability to use a Genjutsu move will allow for a more immersive experience for the players, allowing them to use RP more easily. Further, this allows the players to create situations to gain information, which can allow the advancements of some org's or clans.
It would be VERY useful for these sorts of genjutsu's to be implemented.
So, I think that there should be a personal and clan weakness, this is not saying a member couldn't use a genjutsu if the there clan has it as a weakness, rather it should mean they are prone to attacks from it, and it affects them more.
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Lmao ^^^ everyone knows how good Genjutsu can be xD no need to turn this to a Genjutsu appreciation thread :p
This however;
If you create a clan who specializes in genjutsu+taijutsu/ninjutsu, it would mean all the others are weakness. But don't your weaknesses coincide with other clan's strengths?
How I see the clan strength/weakness system: when you are clanless, you decide how your want your character to be, ex: good at kenjutsu, weak at genjutsu. Then you search for a clan who has the same characteristics as you, as no one can force you to have a certain weakness because of your clan except yourself.
is some good shit lol
since I dont use kenjutsu, in a fight with a kenjutsu user, I'd be at a disadvantage
it's not that i take more hits from kenjutsu than say, taijutsu.
It's just that I don't use kenjutsu.
By lots of clans putting genjutsu as their weakness.
They simply won't use it
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I'm not under estimating genjutsu... It is a powerful tool because it's only limited by the human imagination. I think your over estimating what genjutsu will be able to do in SLO...at least in the direction it's going now.
A real genjutsu changes reality for the target...
Some of this can be done with the charicter appearance and controls- I.e cc effects... But this is not the only thing genjutsu can do it can also effect what the player sees... And that would meen changing the actual world there in with out there knowlage.
its way to much to program... It makes making a chakra bassed Jutsu like earth dome seem like a pet project for a 3 year old.
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I'm not under estimating genjutsu... It is a powerful tool because it's only limited by the human imagination. I think your over estimating what genjutsu will be able to do in SLO...at least in the direction it's going now.
A real genjutsu changes reality for the target...
Some of this can be done with the charicter appearance and controls- I.e cc effects... But this is not the only thing genjutsu can do it can also effect what the player sees... And that would meen changing the actual world there in with out there knowlage.
its way to much to program... It makes making a chakra bassed Jutsu like earth dome seem like a pet project for a 3 year old.
Actually, I under-valued it for the purposes of the argument, because I too recognized you simply can't go over-the-top on Genjutsu, due to the amount of time and energy it would take to implement the sheer range of illusions it can produce. My main point was that people underestimate its use in a *practical* sense, that they often fail to see how a relatively 'weak' jutsu focus could be turned into a "Shinobi's best friend", if you will. So far as I remember, Vreg stated that Genjutsu would be something along the lines of more simple things, like blue-screening enemy players for brief periods of time or reversing their controls -- but it's exactly *because* these effects are so small that they would be very effective at catching the majority of players off-guard.
That isn't to say this topic should be --as Manuster put it-- turned into a Genjutsu appreciation ceremony; rather, clan/org creators should recognize the value in subtlety that such a focus can bring, and as such shouldn't automatically rule it out as a clan/org focus when it comes to strengths. In fewer words: Don't exclude certain jutsu/roles so excessively, it's far greater to have a wide variety of specializations than it is to have a number of clones running about the place.
--Which basically ties this back into the focus of this topic in the first place. There's little reason to copy each other guys -- instead, try looking at what everyone else has, and deciding on what to use based off of what's *not* being used. Add a little variety to the clans/orgs.
Edit: I just saw that profile-pic for Manuster XD)