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Shinobi Life Online Category => Shinobi Life Online Discussion => Topic started by: EternalEyes on August 20, 2015, 20:21:51

Title: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: EternalEyes on August 20, 2015, 20:21:51
So after doing the hidden snow comp(shown below) my teammates commented that it might not fit the style of the game as the architecture style is obviously not Japanese(Eskimo and Turkish style cultures were the main inspirations). This was done mainly as Japanese style buildings are not meant for constant snowfall, so i thought a culture that had spent centuries living in this climate would be more suited for this village(eskimos) and that the Turkish architecture is so majestic and extravagant that it would fit with the backstory i was creating(strong rich-poor divide). However we are making this game for you, the community, so this is your chance to way in. Do you want exclusively Asian architecture? Or are you fine with some more artistic freedom in regards to culture? Comment wit your thoughts and vote in the poll.

Hidden Snow:

(http://i.imgur.com/tY9nj99.jpg)
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Reminance on August 20, 2015, 20:33:36
I really love this!
Its look really amazing and this way every village would be unique and special in its own way.
But thats my opinion.
It looks cool it really does ^^
But does it fit the game?
Im excited to see everybody his answer.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Nova on August 20, 2015, 20:35:23
Just gonna repost my SB answer;
I do feel like japanese should be the main style, but if it doesn't work in a certain area I don't mind it being from a different culture.
That really looks awesome though
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Reminance on August 20, 2015, 20:40:28
Just gonna repost my SB answer;
I do feel like japanese should be the main style, but if it doesn't work in a certain area I don't mind it being from a different culture.
That really looks awesome though, but not sure if shinobis would live in iglos
Thats true i also dont think it fits.
But if every village is Japanese styled then i think every village is not unique.
I think if it has their own buildings from different cultures that it will be more "Special"
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Nas on August 20, 2015, 21:30:55
It looks awesome but my concern is that it does feel like a place ninjas would eh be from ....I believe a bit of the Japanese style may be needed
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Xassassin on August 20, 2015, 22:03:28
That castle looking place you should keep but make it bigger with a little japanese culture inside of there like a bath house. Im not sure what your using the igloos for, are those for a small village before the hidden village.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: BLVCKHIPPY on August 20, 2015, 22:26:55
I agree with what the majority of people are saying, I think this looks really good. 
Sure we should try to have a Japanese feel to the villages but if it doesn't make sense then I don't see anything wrong with straying from that style a little bit.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Mars on August 20, 2015, 22:39:45
Just gonna repost my SB answer;
I do feel like japanese should be the main style, but if it doesn't work in a certain area I don't mind it being from a different culture.
That really looks awesome though
This basically.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Leebz on August 20, 2015, 22:52:30
Change igloos to wooden cabins like the ones from the Kage Summit and it's perfect :P
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Mars on August 20, 2015, 23:03:58
Change igloos to wooden cabins like the ones from the Kage Summit and it's perfect :P
yeah like is this club penguin wtf
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Shivraj on August 21, 2015, 08:53:33
I don't mind any culture :P as long as it looks good in the game, cause I don't think you can fit in Japanese style houses in Hidden Thunder, or Hidden forest, since there is just a little too much difference in the cultures planned for those both villages and Japanese culture, just my opinion though, I wouldn't mind seeing any building, as long as it's majestic xD though we DO need a little bit of Japan in there :).
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Chickenllamacactus on August 21, 2015, 12:02:19
I reckon having different building styles would really help create the natural culture differences between the villages which is just a simple human thing to have. Besides I refuse to waste this EPIC landscape ;)
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Devilthekiller on August 21, 2015, 13:03:59
Im from Turkey so its really cool to hear that you are using Turkish architecture :D
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Reminance on August 21, 2015, 14:37:21
Im from Turkey so its really cool to hear that you are using Turkish architecture :D
Its cool yeah i personally hope every village will have a different architecture.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: EternalEyes on August 22, 2015, 15:45:48
Really appreciate the feedback guys, thanks to your help I now know where i can modify this concept, and which design route to go for future village concepts. For the snow village in particular, im going to take the advice given and remove the Eskimo houses for the 'poor' villages and replace them with log cabins as suggested by @Leebz , an idea which seems plausible considering the large pine forest next to the lower village. Thanks again peeps, off to make it happen :)
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Dragon6624 on August 28, 2015, 03:26:51
Why not just--as I believe Shivraj said a few posts up--have a more "free" aesthetic, BUT with a Japanese base. For example:

Snow/Ice Castle WITH base-line Japanese Architectural influences. The--and this is strictly for reference--Naruto buildings were IN PART Japanese, but they were also done by the manga creator's own imagination. In other words, have the base theme FEEL semi-Japanese, but not look ENTIRELY like it. I trust your judgement and your creativity EE, and I'm sure you could pull it off.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Vreg on August 28, 2015, 15:06:14
Why not just--as I believe Shivraj said a few posts up--have a more "free" aesthetic, BUT with a Japanese base. For example:

Snow/Ice Castle WITH base-line Japanese Architectural influences. The--and this is strictly for reference--Naruto buildings were IN PART Japanese, but they were also done by the manga creator's own imagination. In other words, have the base theme FEEL semi-Japanese, but not look ENTIRELY like it. I trust your judgement and your creativity EE, and I'm sure you could pull it off.
I agree with your points. Have some rep++.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: joca94 on August 28, 2015, 15:42:39
I dont think Turkish architecture fits it, for first, it looks cramped, and doesnt  give the feel of ninja village,ore like some proud nation village for everyone to see, doesnt give the feeling of Hidden Village, and Turkish architecture doesnt fit northern climate, its more for south climate and just doesnt fit in Shinobi world, id put a village inside a snowy mountain or somewhere Hidden, with a bit of Jap based architecture, but also made up architecture, id use Siberia and Alaska as inspirations(middle age). But thats just my long long long opinion :)
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Vreg on August 28, 2015, 16:21:38
I dont think Turkish architecture fits it, for first, it looks cramped, and doesnt  give the feel of ninja village,ore like some proud nation village for everyone to see, doesnt give the feeling of Hidden Village, and Turkish architecture doesnt fit northern climate, its more for south climate and just doesnt fit in Shinobi world, id put a village inside a snowy mountain or somewhere Hidden, with a bit of Jap based architecture, but also made up architecture, id use Siberia and Alaska as inspirations(middle age). But thats just my long long long opinion :)
Yeah Turkish buildings don't really fit in the SLO universe.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Shivraj on August 29, 2015, 08:35:28
Nice points Joca (and dragon too, but this post is about Joca's post :P) I do agree about Turkish architecture not fitting into SLO's world. And a village inside a mountain hmmmm.... Good idea, I like it, but doesn't this give them extra protection? They are more fortified than other villages, kind of unfair, no? It might also mean that there would actually be no snow inside the village hahahahahaha. I propose this:

When you step onto the land of hidden snow, all you see is ice and snow, but if you know the way, then you can find THE cave which leads to the Hidden Snow, covered by walls of ice not so high, but high enough to hide it from onlookers, so that they only see a wall of ice with a cave far away, barely see able because of the snow storm that is always on going.

How'd you like it? :P feel free to point out and mistakes and give your opinion on this! ^-^
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: EternalEyes on August 29, 2015, 11:52:49
I dont think Turkish architecture fits it, for first, it looks cramped, and doesnt  give the feel of ninja village,ore like some proud nation village for everyone to see, doesnt give the feeling of Hidden Village, and Turkish architecture doesnt fit northern climate, its more for south climate and just doesnt fit in Shinobi world, id put a village inside a snowy mountain or somewhere Hidden, with a bit of Jap based architecture, but also made up architecture, id use Siberia and Alaska as inspirations(middle age). But thats just my long long long opinion :)
Yeah Turkish buildings don't really fit in the SLO universe.

Good points joca and message received vreg xD......Revamping all the buildings to have a more Japanese centered design :)
Also yeah i was never happy about how cramped it looked, something this revamp gives me a chance to fix
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: EternalEyes on August 29, 2015, 12:03:00
Nice points Joca (and dragon too, but this post is about Joca's post :P) I do agree about Turkish architecture not fitting into SLO's world. And a village inside a mountain hmmmm.... Good idea, I like it, but doesn't this give them extra protection? They are more fortified than other villages, kind of unfair, no? It might also mean that there would actually be no snow inside the village hahahahahaha. I propose this:

When you step onto the land of hidden snow, all you see is ice and snow, but if you know the way, then you can find THE cave which leads to the Hidden Snow, covered by walls of ice not so high, but high enough to hide it from onlookers, so that they only see a wall of ice with a cave far away, barely see able because of the snow storm that is always on going.

How'd you like it? :P feel free to point out and mistakes and give your opinion on this! ^-^

I think theres a bit of a problem with that, but not from a 'coolness' standpoint, more from a gameplay point of view. This is because firstly hidden snow is gonna be a selectable hidden village, so there are naturally gonna be hundreds of players entering and leaving the village every day, which will take away from the mystery, aswell as the fact people going on missions to hidden snow wont want to do a mission to find one of the major villages- we need to make gameplay objectives relatively obvious otherwise the player gets bored and moves on. By all means we can make it 'hard' to see through snowstorms and such, but for secretive villages like you are suggesting i think we should focus on making hidden water the village that everyone is vying to find.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: joca94 on August 29, 2015, 12:36:12
I dont think Turkish architecture fits it, for first, it looks cramped, and doesnt  give the feel of ninja village,ore like some proud nation village for evn, with a bit of Jap based architecture, but also made up architecture, id use Siberia and Alaska as inspirations(middle age). But thats just my long long long opinion :)
Yeah Turkish buildings don't really fit in the SLO universe.

Good points joka and message received vreg xD......Revamping all the buildings to have a more Japanese centered design :)
Also yeah i was never happy about how cramped it looked, something this revamp gives me a chance to fix
Thanks, btw its joca not joka ;)
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Vreg on August 29, 2015, 12:54:19
I dont think Turkish architecture fits it, for first, it looks cramped, and doesnt  give the feel of ninja village,ore like some proud nation village for evn, with a bit of Jap based architecture, but also made up architecture, id use Siberia and Alaska as inspirations(middle age). But thats just my long long long opinion :)
Yeah Turkish buildings don't really fit in the SLO universe.

Good points joka and message received vreg xD......Revamping all the buildings to have a more Japanese centered design :)
Also yeah i was never happy about how cramped it looked, something this revamp gives me a chance to fix
Thanks, btw its joca not joka ;)
Then why does your name say joka?
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Vreg on August 29, 2015, 13:50:27
My apologies for the double post.

I was thinking of having the Hidden Snow be enclosed in a gigantic hemispherical ice and snow dome to provide insulation from the cold winds outside inspired by igloos.

As you can see people did not create igloos in the north just for fun and as far as I know they were genetically Asian too.

(https://i.gyazo.com/7fb18edd665d8cd3e43ccd7bcc1e2761.png)
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Shivraj on August 29, 2015, 15:51:43
Nice points Joca (and dragon too, but this post is about Joca's post :P) I do agree about Turkish architecture not fitting into SLO's world. And a village inside a mountain hmmmm.... Good idea, I like it, but doesn't this give them extra protection? They are more fortified than other villages, kind of unfair, no? It might also mean that there would actually be no snow inside the village hahahahahaha. I propose this:

When you step onto the land of hidden snow, all you see is ice and snow, but if you know the way, then you can find THE cave which leads to the Hidden Snow, covered by walls of ice not so high, but high enough to hide it from onlookers, so that they only see a wall of ice with a cave far away, barely see able because of the snow storm that is always on going.

How'd you like it? :P feel free to point out and mistakes and give your opinion on this! ^-^

I think theres a bit of a problem with that, but not from a 'coolness' standpoint, more from a gameplay point of view. This is because firstly hidden snow is gonna be a selectable hidden village, so there are naturally gonna be hundreds of players entering and leaving the village every day, which will take away from the mystery, aswell as the fact people going on missions to hidden snow wont want to do a mission to find one of the major villages- we need to make gameplay objectives relatively obvious otherwise the player gets bored and moves on. By all means we can make it 'hard' to see through snowstorms and such, but for secretive villages like you are suggesting i think we should focus on making hidden water the village that everyone is vying to find.
yes..... quite..... and I found one problem myself :P The cave thingy makes it equally unfair to other villages xD so yeah, and Vreg said
My apologies for the double post.

I was thinking of having the Hidden Snow be enclosed in a gigantic hemispherical ice and snow dome to provide insulation from the cold winds outside inspired by igloos.

As you can see people did not create igloos in the north just for fun and as far as I know they were genetically Asian too.

(https://i.gyazo.com/7fb18edd665d8cd3e43ccd7bcc1e2761.png)
So yeah :P

PS. Vreg did you photoshop your profile picture to make it look like you have rinnegan? xD or are my eyes playing tricks on me? (Get it? xD)
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Mars on August 29, 2015, 16:16:56
I photoshopped his eyes so he looked like Fetty Wap but I decieded not to post it for ban evasion purposes.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: joca94 on August 29, 2015, 17:18:25
I dont think Turkish architecture fits it, for first, it looks cramped, and doesnt  give the feel of ninja village,ore like some proud nation village for evn, with a bit of Jap based architecture, but also made up architecture, id use Siberia and Alaska as inspirations(middle age). But thats just my long long long opinion :)
Yeah Turkish buildings don't really fit in the SLO universe.
 xD......Revamping all the buildings to have a more Japanese centered design :)
Also yeah i was never happy about how cramped it looked, something this revamp gives me a chance to fix
Thanks, btw its joca not joka ;)
Then why does your name say joka?
It says joka cuz you changed my forum name, cuz instead of making a game, you waste time to edit my forum name.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Leebz on August 30, 2015, 02:00:17
I dont think Turkish architecture fits it, for first, it looks cramped, and doesnt  give the feel of ninja village,ore like some proud nation village for evn, with a bit of Jap based architecture, but also made up architecture, id use Siberia and Alaska as inspirations(middle age). But thats just my long long long opinion :)
Yeah Turkish buildings don't really fit in the SLO universe.
 xD......Revamping all the buildings to have a more Japanese centered design :)
Also yeah i was never happy about how cramped it looked, something this revamp gives me a chance to fix
Thanks, btw its joca not joka ;)
Then why does your name say joka?
It says joka cuz you changed my forum name, cuz instead of making a game, you waste time to edit my forum name.

Shots fired.
Though Joca has a point, changing a name takes 2 minutes at most. Coming from someone who is an Admin on a site :P
So this doesn't really interfere with any game development but can be seen as annoying to a member. Especially if they aren't apart of the joke and find it irritating.
Although, I am aware Joca meant it as an insult/dig towards Vreg so therefore me explaining these details is pointless but hey, +1 post for Leebz :3

EDIT: I also see Hidden Snow being a village similar to the Southern Tribe of Avatar but instead of igloos it is wooden cabins and maybe a bit more fancy for the Kage house :P
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Shivraj on August 30, 2015, 02:39:26
You're still now where near me Leebz! I'll be senin poster before you reach my post count!!!!

Not spam, I'll add something useful here:

What's the joka joke? Doesn't sound funny to me ._.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: EternalEyes on August 30, 2015, 13:14:37
Yeah im drafting up 2 new concepts based on vregs+joca's+dragons ideas.....maybe we can do a poll later asking which version you like best.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Mars on August 30, 2015, 13:43:14
If you're gonna troll, do it well.
I'm going to ask America to make a guide on how to troll properly.
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Vreg on August 31, 2015, 21:29:26
If you're gonna troll, do it well.
I'm going to ask America to make a guide on how to troll properly.
Btw, (https://i.gyazo.com/c70c1a14c3a4bb43936ea36e3f4facb6.png), you're allowed to change your profile picture now @Mars.

i c wut u did thar
Title: Re: Hidden Snow (And other hidden villages) Architecture Debate/Poll
Post by: Mars on August 31, 2015, 22:45:03
Wasn't talking to anyone in particular but no I'm not allowed to change it yet, need to wait until 12th Septemeber.